S A S And Quads.

[desertbred 5,490]

Blackmaggie I defend what is right true and correct and criticise what is wrong so I don't jump to defence unless unfair criticism or ignorance is being displayed every society culture tradition and religion has its problems I read daily about Shariat and Muslims and how barbaric the religion isd it is no more barbaric than the coquistadors of the RC church or the crusaders of the Christian church they also sl;aughtered in the name of what ? this is fact and history not jumping to the defensive people first put their own house in order. People say people come here for the benefits yet most immigrants are hardworking and many are self employed and business owners those that draw benefits or abuse the system is it there fault that facilities and money are thrown at them you w3ill find leaflets in British Council offices and libraries abroad telling what benefits etc are available in uk economic migrants know how and what is available before they even receive a visa. This is the fault of who ? Voters here elect Governments no one else if they don't hear the voices of the electorate whoagain is responsible not the immigrants. Same UKIP are being promoted as the saviours of the British way of life they have 2 mps fact there are more Muslim MPS in the parliament and house of lords another fact.

[Guest ragumup]

The crusades were defensive Islam had conquered Christian lands at the time ...remember ?

 

Ukip welcomes ex muslims .....lol

[desertbred 5,490]

Rag u muppit Surah AL Nisa (the woman ) 4V 34

The words from this verse you refer to as beat in Arabic is "idribahunne" meaning Daraba in Arabic it has 10 different meanings which is not the beating you suggest the only meaning closely resembling beating is lightly beat the other 9 meanings have nothing to do with beating again you are finding a needle in a haystack and trying to fit a camel through it you are again trying to teach me my own Faith and the Qran how many times will you make the mistake. I give you provable answers every time muppit but all you can conjure up is I am lying . Muppet Jesus was Abrahamic not Christian so how Christian land in Palastine and the excuse for the crusades was Pontius pilot a Christian ?

Edited November 26, 2014 by desertbred

[delswal 3,819]

Does any man who calls himself male have the right to beat a woman? I say a man who beats a woman is not a man but a coward let alone a Muslim. the Prophet of islam says "Heaven is at the feet of the mother" Women deserve maximum respect from all sections of society , do you Think women become prostitutes because they want or out of compulsion I would say the latter. People confuse Islam and Sharia with the need for insecure males to dominate something weaker usually women or children this is far more prevelant in western society and culture look at all the laws that have needed to be introduced to stop domestic violence how many call outs do the police get at closing time of the pubs when western males are beating their wifes girlfriends and children look in A&E on a Saturday night. Things are not just at fault in the Muslim community are they? . Isis are the same as the genie once it escapes the bottle it will not go back Sauds are involved as well as several middle east regimes mosad are cleverer than all of them but what they fail to see is that isis will kill anyone irrespective of nationality colour , religion or anything else who don't bow in front of their doctrine.. I consider myself a Iranian revolutionary Muslim, I don't think multi culturism works and trying to force islam on people or trying to force muslims to abandon their faith will not succeed, middle ground and compromise is needed . Much is made of Muslims prefering to settle in the west this is for economic and educational reasons it is the case because they remain Muslims except for the ones who want to have a easy life. Islam is the fastest growing faith even in the west why?

Serious question DB, in the above post you said, "I don't think multiculturalism works" so why did you move here? the question was not meant to sound offensive, but curious non the less.

[desertbred 5,490]

I have explained it all previously , my history my back ground and why I am here. I am a realistic reasonably educated man and I realise that ethical, cultural ,traditional, religious and racial differences on all sides mean that multiculturism is not compatable in the present climate whether it will be in future I don't know but I doubt it in my lifetime. The best that can be worked towards at the moment in my view is tolerance and compromise but many even on here don't want any integration at all , however the minority on here are not the masses are they. So hopefully the future generations can do better than past generations.

Edited November 26, 2014 by desertbred

[jacknife 2,005]

I do not see why we need to compromise this is a white christian country

 

I wouldn't be so confident that the silent masses are happy with it

Edited November 26, 2014 by jacknife

[delswal 3,819]

I have explained it all previously , my history my back ground and why I am here. I am a realistic reasonably educated man and I realise that ethical, cultural ,traditional, religious and racial differences on all sides mean that multiculturism is not compatable in the present climate whether it will be in future I don't know but I doubt it in my lifetime. The best that can be worked towards at the moment in my view is tolerance and compromise but many even on here don't want any integration at all , however the minority on here are not the masses are they. So hopefully the future generations can do better than past generations.

ok thanks , was a genuine question no malice intended

[desertbred 5,490]

Jacknife your attitude is a perfect example why integration and multi culturism wont work . Your attitude is also entrenched with athiests muslims and numorous other religions, that is the reasom why tolerance and compromise or what is the alternative realistic solution ?

[dare 1,103]

If sharia law is a better way of life why do we have so many flocking to the west rather than say Saudi or another country where Muslims are the majority?

[desertbred 5,490]

dont you read posts mate for economic reasons and education facilities, why do so many Muslim Doctors come here for Money obviously. I again put the question even though they migrate here, they remain Muslims as do their children and grandchildren with very few exceptions 50 years ago churches were full now they are supermarkets closed down bingo halls and even Mosques why?

[Born Hunter 17,843]

Isn't it obvious DB..... the native people of Britain are rejecting religion generation by generation. We've had 1400 years of Christian history and have pioneered progression in knowledge and technology since the industrial revolution. I don't think it's a huge conclusion to see that that sort of progression is directly responsible for the change in religious beliefs.

 

But so what if your grandkids are Muslim? So what if the Christian population of Britain in 50 years has halved?

 

There's a lot more to British culture than Christianity, and so it won't make two starkly different cultures any more compatible.

 

On the whole, most folk don't mind foreign faiths, as long as they are kept private. Generally, I find the British to be fascinated by foreign culture, historically and presently. However, seeing the culture that surrounds those foreign faiths become a greater and greater part of our daily lives and directly threatening our traditional British culture/s is what I see upsets folk. I have unknowingly met a few Muslims through my life, and I can't think of anybody that had the slightest problem with them, because they followed British culture and integrated and kept their Islamic culture private and so did not alienate the British people they lived and worked around.

Edited November 27, 2014 by Born Hunter

[Guest ragumup]

Rag u muppit Surah AL Nisa (the woman ) 4V 34

The words from this verse you refer to as beat in Arabic is "idribahunne" meaning Daraba in Arabic it has 10 different meanings which is not the beating you suggest the only meaning closely resembling beating is lightly beat the other 9 meanings have nothing to do with beating again you are finding a needle in a haystack and trying to fit a camel through it you are again trying to teach me my own Faith and the Qran how many times will you make the mistake. I give you provable answers every time muppit but all you can conjure up is I am lying . Muppet Jesus was Abrahamic not Christian so how Christian land in Palastine and the excuse for the crusades was Pontius pilot a Christian ?

Iv made no mistakes it you who are the deceiver.

 

The old i dont understand arabic line ...ay First the koran claims to be a universal message for all humanity for all times. If the message is universal ,then it must be understood by all. If everybody cannot understand the message , then by defintion it is not universal .so,which is it ?

 

Second which Arabic is being spoken about .The arabic of the koran is classical arabic so not even a modern arab can read classical arabic....

and what about the billion-plus muslims who dont understand modern arabic ???? if they cannot understand the koran then "how can they be muslims ???

 

Frazdog can understand the bible but he dosent read hebrew ,aramaic ,greek.. that the bible was written in.

 

The Crusades were a response to a cry for help by the tortured and oppressed Christians in their native land ....Anyway Crusades were over a thousand years ago where as Jihad is still active today ....

 

In Islam ,women are subjugated to males .In court they are treated as half of a man and they are equal only on judgment Day .Both the sunna and the koran say that wives can be beaten. The sharia even lays out the precise procedure for wife-beating .

 

Islam is the supreme mono-culture,dedicated to abolishing ALL other cultures. There is no multiculturalism in islam.After islam takes over the host culture devoles into some form of islam .Where is the buddhist culture of afghanistan ? the coptic culture of Egypt ? the berber culture of north africa ? the Christian culture of Iraq ? or the Zoroastrian culture of Iran ? THEY HAVE ALL BEEN ANNIHILATED .

 

Mohammaed is the supreme authority in islam .No muslim ,no media pundit,no imam,no book,no article,not David Camoron can be above Mohammad.Once you know Mohammad ,you know the truth of Islam.

[socks 32,253]

It amazes me that we in this country are expected to welcome multi culturism with open arms but those who arrive here don't have to play by the same rules ... And I can guarantee that if westerners flocked to the Muslim Arab States and started shouting about multi culturism and allow us to build churches and allow cafés to serve pork sandwiches and our women to wear shorts and crop tops because of the heat there would be an uprising and a lot of dead westerners buried in the desert ...most range how it's ok to only work one way ......

[desertbred 5,490]

Socks it is British Government who talks of multi culturism Turkey go to any beach see how the holiday makers are dressed Abu Dhabi Dubia Qatar drinking is permitted You will find churches , Synagogues Hindu Mundars Seikh Temples so you claims are bollocks, A said multi culturism is a western so called progressive thing that even you people yourself don't want so get facts and post them not fiction. You don't hear Iran Afghanistan and many other Muslim countries calling for multiculturism and integration so don't blame others for your own societies short comings.

[socks 32,253]

I have been in enough Muslim and Arabic countries to know what's fact ... Iranians and afghanis want to come to this country and still carry out their faith and live by their faith and expect us to put up with that so yes they are asking for multi culturism and integration ........