What A Carry On !

[Fieldsports 155]

My mate !
Over a year ago now he had his license revoked as the police attended his house one Sunday when he was with his family
....Please read on.........
His license was issued under a north east Licensing dept I personally will not name. But I know of the department.
His son visited him and said hello, so he was invited in for lunch ( as you would )
After a short while a huge knock came to his door, when he opened the door he was stormed by police the police were apparently looking for the son of my mate....
His son did not live at this address he was simply on a visit. And my mate knew nothing about what was happening.
My mate did not know anything what the situation was and began asking what are you here for and "yes getting irate" his house was suddenly mobbed by strangers..
He began to say sentences like what the ******* **** what are you doing.
Maybe more said but ......beside the point !
He was given a on the spot fine for anti social behavior £....and his shotgun license removed.
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He appealed the decision , went to court and won the case with no cost's and was awarded his certificate back as it was a miscarriage of justice !!!!!
So there we go he is not guilty...Won his case and all is fine ?
Not as simple as that .
The firearms licensing kind of had to bow down as this was a court decision .
But They didn't
They decided not to allow him to have guns in his premises for a further 12 months
( Like a probationary period as to speak )
That was to end on 15th Feb 2014
This is the date today 24th April 2014 and he still is not allowed to keep guns in his house although the time lapse has expired,
he does contact them and the excuses seem to be getting more feeble by the moment.
So to move on.....
He has to keep his guns in his friends cabinet that lives close by as agreed by the firearms department.
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Now a situation arises.
He comes back from shooting after collecting a shotgun from him around the arranged time but the person where he is keeping his guns at their house is not in !
He lives within 5 mins walking distance away from his own home where he has a perfectly secure gun cabinet but the firearms will not allow the gun to be kept there
even though it was supposed to be finalized on the 15th Feb this year and he is a license holder.
So he had to stand in the street....A Housing estate for 3 hours with a gun in a bag until his mate came in to store the gun.
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He phoned the FLO and told them of this incident but apparently they have no record of the finalized date for "having guns back in the house" being the 15th Feb
that he can keep guns back in his own secure home.
Now he is in Limbo over a year later. No regular contact from FLD in his force area and this factor makes the lad feel like it is best he does not go and collect the gun to go shooting in-case after his day he can not have it quickly
stored away in a secure legal environment .
IS THIS A FARCE OR WHAT !
He is not a member of BASC only because his financial circumstances do not stretch that far otherwise he would.

[Wullz 408]

Tell him to join Sacs, its just over £20 and he will get support from their legal team.....

[vanman1 411]

Sounds to me there just being awkward after he (quite rightly) had his day in court. If he wants a swift conclusion his only choice is sacs or basc, they will just keep fobbing him off as he has no clowt etc. Good luck.

[The one 8,583]

Dont think i would of waited this long as said sacs, basc would of sorted it out ages ago

[Fieldsports 155]

My Pal phoned the FLO today again and they said they need to review his situation and background again.
Is it just me or have they missed the point here.
He has his certificate and can collect the guns from his friends cabinet when required and go wherever he wants to shoot.
What the hell difference is it keeping the guns in someone else cabinet rather than his own ?
I must of missed something here.....
I told him about sacs, basc and other shooting organizations but at the moment the poor lad is really skint so this is not within his means..
It seems just wrong whats happening......he should not need legal help this is not right.
My rant over.

[stabba 10,745]

My Pal phoned the FLO today again and they said they need to review his situation and background again.

Is it just me or have they missed the point here.

He has his certificate and can collect the guns from his friends cabinet when required and go wherever he wants to shoot.

What the hell difference is it keeping the guns in someone else cabinet rather than his own ?

I must of missed something here.....

I told him about sacs, basc and other shooting organizations but at the moment the poor lad is really skint so this is not within his means..

It seems just wrong whats happening......he should not need legal help this is not right.

My rant over.

 

If the lad can afford to go out and shoot..then he can afford the £20 or so to join SACS. Granted the police will be playing silly buggers with him..but until the lad does something about it..they'll keep taking the piss.

[neil82 1,088]

you mention `guns` if that means he has more than one then sell something to cover the cost of BASC or SACS membership, the legal help will more than cover the shit he`s under and when things settle down he can always find another gun

[The one 8,583]

If he was shooting he should of been a member of something and this problem would never have arouse

How long was he shooting for with out insurance etc ?

[Fieldsports 155]

If he was shooting he should of been a member of something and this problem would never have arouse

How long was he shooting for with out insurance etc ?

I do not know mate. I have never asked him about his situation before.

I just know he is not financially secure this year to get his insurance.

I do know he has had family problems that left him skint.

 

[paulus 26]

 

If he was shooting he should of been a member of something and this problem would never have arouse

How long was he shooting for with out insurance etc ?

I do not know mate. I have never asked him about his situation before.

I just know he is not financially secure this year to get his insurance.

I do know he has had family problems that left him skint.

 

 

if he can afford carts for a shotty he can afford twenty quid for membership to SACS needs to get his priorities in order me thinks

[danw 1,748]

If I was basc or sacs I would tell him to go whistle joining up cause your in the shite jog the f**k on!!

[Fieldsports 155]

 

 

If he was shooting he should of been a member of something and this problem would never have arouse

How long was he shooting for with out insurance etc ?

I do not know mate. I have never asked him about his situation before.

I just know he is not financially secure this year to get his insurance.

I do know he has had family problems that left him skint.

 

 

if he can afford carts for a shotty he can afford twenty quid for membership to SACS needs to get his priorities in order me thinks

 

Funny you mention that !

The lad has been a certificate holder for years and years but he has without a doubt suffering from hard times and he is financially embarrassed.

When he is asked to come shooting he sometimes declines the offer as he has no cartridges, but we as friends always chip in and give him a few so he can have a days shooting.

I do agree with what you are saying about the need for liability insurance and legal cover but if he has not got the money this year to obtain it this is unfortunate.

I still think the situation is an unfair factor on the behalf of his licensing department as the decision was already made by the courts on his day of appeal.

Just because he is temporary skint and can not renew / buy his insurance this year does not mean he is a bad person and needs to "give in shooting" .

he will not be joining up because he is in the sh*t simply because he still can not afford it.

I spoke to him earlier and he told me he has always had a NGO membership but due to his situation with his sons medical condition he is unable to get out and earn a wage.

The situation should be resolved this year (fingers crossed) and his sons treatment should resolve the issue.

He will then be back up on his feet by going out to earn a few quid again.

I really do not think he should be judged like a fool for a unforeseen situation that has destroyed him this year or be knocked for not having a sacs / basc insurance that he can not afford

at this time.

He never did anything wrong and won his case in a court of law.

Its the FLD he is under that is at fault here !

I never posted this on here to have to begin a discussion about how the lad is skint or why he has no insurance this year.

It was to simply highlight how some licensing departments can mess people about and make life hard for an individual for no apparent reason

apart from they lost the court case against him and still can not accept it.

Its alright speaking like this if £30 to £70 quid for insurance means nothing to you ! It might be pocket change to some people,

but when you do not have £30 to £70 to part with its a fortune.

Thanks

[Fieldsports 155]

If he was shooting he should of been a member of something and this problem would never have arouse

How long was he shooting for with out insurance etc ?

Well, Its a bit funny

He has always had insurance

He has even been to court and won this silly situation legally. ( Fact )

But the FLD decided to make it hard.

I spoke to him earlier and he told me he has always had a NGO membership but due to his situation with his ( Other ) sons medical condition he is unable to get out and earn a wage.

The situation with his son's illness should be resolved this year (fingers crossed) and his sons treatment should resolve the issue.

He will then be back up on his feet by going out to earn a few quid again.

I really do not think he should be judged like a fool for a unforeseen situation that has destroyed him this year or be knocked for not having a sacs / basc insurance that he can not afford

at this time.

He never did anything wrong.

Its the FLD he is under that is at fault here !

I know he is not reading this but some of the replies would sicken me !

I really do not hope you hit hard times and find yourself in this situation

because then you will know what temporary skint means !

Thanks Steve

 

[Fieldsports 155]

Point is! as said before in previous posts .............."Please do not jump on the nasty wagon, I never wanted that !"

I never posted this on here to have to begin a discussion about how the lad is skint or why he has no insurance this year.
It was to simply highlight how some licensing departments can mess people about and make life hard for an individual for no apparent reason
apart from they lost the court case against him and still can not accept it.
Its alright speaking like this if £30 to £70 quid for insurance means nothing to you ! It might be pocket change to some people,
but when you do not have £30 to £70 to part with its a fortune.
Thanks

[paulus 26]

Point is! as said before in previous posts .............."Please do not jump on the nasty wagon, I never wanted that !"

I never posted this on here to have to begin a discussion about how the lad is skint or why he has no insurance this year.

It was to simply highlight how some licensing departments can mess people about and make life hard for an individual for no apparent reason

apart from they lost the court case against him and still can not accept it.

Its alright speaking like this if £30 to £70 quid for insurance means nothing to you ! It might be pocket change to some people,

but when you do not have £30 to £70 to part with its a fortune.

Thanks

insurance with SACS through this site joining now and renewing in december/jan will be less than twenty quid or less than 10p per day,