gnasher16 31,416 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I was at the game last night it amazes me the amount of fans turning on the team......we,ve qualified for the finals easily.........been playing some decent stuff lately.........but because we go and lose a game to a similar placed team its panic time.......makes me laugh the way some people have this ridiculous overeaction any time we lose a game ! Look at France.......one of the most succesful nations in recent times,world cup winners,runners up and twice semi finalists all in the last 25 years...............yet now look like they are not even going to qualify !!...................We won it once near 50 years ago and we start having a meltdown because we lost a friendly ! I used to love following England you would be surrounded by fans of lower league clubs mostly genuine and loyal fans......nowadays there seems to be too many of the glory hunter types following England the type who cant wait to slag our game off if we lose. We are not the best and not the worst..................just like the other 95% of sports teams and sportsmen !! i suppose gnash , what came home to me last night, when we had to play (quite) a good side.We were not good enough, and thats the bottom line mate. Like isaid once world cup kicks off,and the decent teams start to play, england we be coming home early.Lets face it it was only couple of young lads played last night, and you got to give them a go no prob with that. But you could see that england were out played all over the pitch. So he brings on more experience players, to (try) and turn the game round, and that didnt work either, drop another goal. No mate england done well to get to the world cup, but once the play decent team, they are exposed for what there are 2nd rate team at a (higher level) football, and thats it in a nutshell.! and the young players coming through were the worry to me, they just aint good enough .And you only can play with what you got out there. I agree with all of that, we are second rate....I've said it for years. I am as patriotic as they come but I have to talk real about my football and England play like an SPL team. The players are playing week in, week out in the strongest league in the world neat to the top players in the world but as soon as they pull on a white shirt it all go's out the window ( and I'm not talking about this particular game as I didn't watch it because I don't bother watching England very much)........prime example was that game against Germany, the budesliga isn't exactly strong but the German went through England like they were not even there.......they just tore us to bits........there's no belief, no grit and we run out of ideas around 50 minutes and start hoofing it. They are definitely not a top echelon international side and that's a fact IMHO Neither are West Ham it doesnt stop you watching them........West Ham havent won a major trophy in over 30 years.....when the 3rd round Fa Cup draw is made are you expecting West Ham to win the competition ?........West Ham play in the strongest league week in week out next to the top players in the world........is there any more belief,grit......we start hoofing it after 5 minutes let alone 50..............does it stop you watching them ? If a man is patriotic and a football fan.....he gets behind the team,simple......if he,s not either one of those 2 things he doesnt..........what possible reason is there to think we should breeze through teams just because we won the world cup 50 years ago......any more than theres reason to think West Ham should breeze through teams just because we won the Fa Cup 30 years ago..........West Ham are a bang average club side but we get behind them because as fans thats what we do.........England are a bang average international side but we dont get behind them because what ?... they dont run round like headless chickens ? they get paid too much ? Over the years ive found England games is where you find the true football fans who love the game unconditionally.....you might run into a few Swindon or Bristol City fans.......clubs you would never normally run into as a fan of a premier league club......the passion they have for their clubs and country pisses all over some of these Man Utd and Chelsea fans turning up at England games of late.......and the reason they still have that passion is because they are used to having to be realistic in their expectations.......something a lot of followers of premier league clubs just havent got. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boyo 1,398 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 if your soccer team played with as much passion as your rugby union and league sides do they would be a lot harder to beat and get more support. thought england rugby team played out of theis skins against all blacks today and they are the no 1 team in the world . not as good as the welsh mind lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,416 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 if your soccer team played with as much passion as your rugby union and league sides do they would be a lot harder to beat and get more support. thought england rugby team played out of theis skins against all blacks today and they are the no 1 team in the world . not as good as the welsh mind lol. This " passion "......what does it look like ?..........up until the astronomical wages in football i had never heard the word " passion " being used as a reason for losing a football match......if players were on 50 quid a game would we still hear it used ......i doubt it ! Rugby is a game where players smash into each other its a bit hard not to look passionate...........when Steve Davis started losing snooker matches or if England lose a cricket match.....do they lack passion......or is it just that they wasnt good enough to win. What is passion running round like a headless chicken ?....kicking the ball hard ?....shouting a lot ?......what is it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bracken boy 584 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 For too many years england in.many sports was the very best of losers, never mind we did our best and to me thats all tosh, if you hate losing then in my world you will find a way to win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,897 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) I was at the game last night it amazes me the amount of fans turning on the team......we,ve qualified for the finals easily.........been playing some decent stuff lately.........but because we go and lose a game to a similar placed team its panic time.......makes me laugh the way some people have this ridiculous overeaction any time we lose a game ! Look at France.......one of the most succesful nations in recent times,world cup winners,runners up and twice semi finalists all in the last 25 years...............yet now look like they are not even going to qualify !!...................We won it once near 50 years ago and we start having a meltdown because we lost a friendly ! I used to love following England you would be surrounded by fans of lower league clubs mostly genuine and loyal fans......nowadays there seems to be too many of the glory hunter types following England the type who cant wait to slag our game off if we lose. We are not the best and not the worst..................just like the other 95% of sports teams and sportsmen !! i suppose gnash , what came home to me last night, when we had to play (quite) a good side.We were not good enough, and thats the bottom line mate. Like isaid once world cup kicks off,and the decent teams start to play, england we be coming home early.Lets face it it was only couple of young lads played last night, and you got to give them a go no prob with that. But you could see that england were out played all over the pitch. So he brings on more experience players, to (try) and turn the game round, and that didnt work either, drop another goal. No mate england done well to get to the world cup, but once the play decent team, they are exposed for what there are 2nd rate team at a (higher level) football, and thats it in a nutshell.! and the young players coming through were the worry to me, they just aint good enough .And you only can play with what you got out there. I agree with all of that, we are second rate....I've said it for years.I am as patriotic as they come but I have to talk real about my football and England play like an SPL team. The players are playing week in, week out in the strongest league in the world neat to the top players in the world but as soon as they pull on a white shirt it all go's out the window ( and I'm not talking about this particular game as I didn't watch it because I don't bother watching England very much)........prime example was that game against Germany, the budesliga isn't exactly strong but the German went through England like they were not even there.......they just tore us to bits........there's no belief, no grit and we run out of ideas around 50 minutes and start hoofing it. They are definitely not a top echelon international side and that's a fact IMHO Neither are West Ham it doesnt stop you watching them........West Ham havent won a major trophy in over 30 years.....when the 3rd round Fa Cup draw is made are you expecting West Ham to win the competition ?........West Ham play in the strongest league week in week out next to the top players in the world........is there any more belief,grit......we start hoofing it after 5 minutes let alone 50..............does it stop you watching them ? If a man is patriotic and a football fan.....he gets behind the team,simple......if he,s not either one of those 2 things he doesnt..........what possible reason is there to think we should breeze through teams just because we won the world cup 50 years ago......any more than theres reason to think West Ham should breeze through teams just because we won the Fa Cup 30 years ago..........West Ham are a bang average club side but we get behind them because as fans thats what we do.........England are a bang average international side but we dont get behind them because what ?... they dont run round like headless chickens ? they get paid too much ? Over the years ive found England games is where you find the true football fans who love the game unconditionally.....you might run into a few Swindon or Bristol City fans.......clubs you would never normally run into as a fan of a premier league club......the passion they have for their clubs and country pisses all over some of these Man Utd and Chelsea fans turning up at England games of late.......and the reason they still have that passion is because they are used to having to be realistic in their expectations.......something a lot of followers of premier league clubs just havent got. Sorry big lad but I ain't letting you have that one mate, our hammers do the best with what they have and can afford and it's our club. As England manager you get the pick of the cream of the crop, and this so called cream of the crop just do not live up to their own status. If WHU had the pick of the top players in England it would be a very different story to the one we are so used to. I am a West Ham fan because of lots of reasons and the football probably the least amongst them.........but when you assemble the top players at any sport in your country (and in the case of lots of our players the world) then they should perform to that standard and they time and again just don't Your either world class or your not and lots of these players would class themselves as such.......there is no excuse for some of the displays you see. As for real football fans, I class myself as a real football fan because I like to see the game played properly.......personally, I see England and following England as a chance for small club fans to have an away day and see a few world class players which they wouldn't ordinarily get the chance to do. If you actually like to watch football played correctly then you would go and watch Spain or similar. Edited November 16, 2013 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,416 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I was at the game last night it amazes me the amount of fans turning on the team......we,ve qualified for the finals easily.........been playing some decent stuff lately.........but because we go and lose a game to a similar placed team its panic time.......makes me laugh the way some people have this ridiculous overeaction any time we lose a game ! Look at France.......one of the most succesful nations in recent times,world cup winners,runners up and twice semi finalists all in the last 25 years...............yet now look like they are not even going to qualify !!...................We won it once near 50 years ago and we start having a meltdown because we lost a friendly ! I used to love following England you would be surrounded by fans of lower league clubs mostly genuine and loyal fans......nowadays there seems to be too many of the glory hunter types following England the type who cant wait to slag our game off if we lose. We are not the best and not the worst..................just like the other 95% of sports teams and sportsmen !! i suppose gnash , what came home to me last night, when we had to play (quite) a good side.We were not good enough, and thats the bottom line mate. Like isaid once world cup kicks off,and the decent teams start to play, england we be coming home early.Lets face it it was only couple of young lads played last night, and you got to give them a go no prob with that. But you could see that england were out played all over the pitch. So he brings on more experience players, to (try) and turn the game round, and that didnt work either, drop another goal. No mate england done well to get to the world cup, but once the play decent team, they are exposed for what there are 2nd rate team at a (higher level) football, and thats it in a nutshell.! and the young players coming through were the worry to me, they just aint good enough .And you only can play with what you got out there. I agree with all of that, we are second rate....I've said it for years.I am as patriotic as they come but I have to talk real about my football and England play like an SPL team. The players are playing week in, week out in the strongest league in the world neat to the top players in the world but as soon as they pull on a white shirt it all go's out the window ( and I'm not talking about this particular game as I didn't watch it because I don't bother watching England very much)........prime example was that game against Germany, the budesliga isn't exactly strong but the German went through England like they were not even there.......they just tore us to bits........there's no belief, no grit and we run out of ideas around 50 minutes and start hoofing it. They are definitely not a top echelon international side and that's a fact IMHO Neither are West Ham it doesnt stop you watching them........West Ham havent won a major trophy in over 30 years.....when the 3rd round Fa Cup draw is made are you expecting West Ham to win the competition ?........West Ham play in the strongest league week in week out next to the top players in the world........is there any more belief,grit......we start hoofing it after 5 minutes let alone 50..............does it stop you watching them ? If a man is patriotic and a football fan.....he gets behind the team,simple......if he,s not either one of those 2 things he doesnt..........what possible reason is there to think we should breeze through teams just because we won the world cup 50 years ago......any more than theres reason to think West Ham should breeze through teams just because we won the Fa Cup 30 years ago..........West Ham are a bang average club side but we get behind them because as fans thats what we do.........England are a bang average international side but we dont get behind them because what ?... they dont run round like headless chickens ? they get paid too much ? Over the years ive found England games is where you find the true football fans who love the game unconditionally.....you might run into a few Swindon or Bristol City fans.......clubs you would never normally run into as a fan of a premier league club......the passion they have for their clubs and country pisses all over some of these Man Utd and Chelsea fans turning up at England games of late.......and the reason they still have that passion is because they are used to having to be realistic in their expectations.......something a lot of followers of premier league clubs just havent got. Sorry big lad but I ain't letting you have that one mate, our hammers do the best with what they have and can afford and it's our club. As England manager you get the pick of the cream of the crop, and this so called cream of the crop just do not live up to their own status. If WHU had the pick of the top players in England it would be a very different story to the one we are so used to. I am a West Ham fan because of lots of reasons and the football probably the least amongst them.........but when you assemble the top players at any sport in your country (and in the case of lots of our players the world) then they should perform to that standard and they time and again just don't Your either world class or your not and lots of these players would class themselves as such.......there is no excuse for some of the displays you see. As for real football fans, I class myself as a real football fan because I like to see the game played properly.......personally, I see England and following England as a chance for small club fans to have an away day and see a few world class players which they wouldn't ordinarily get the chance to do. If you actually like to watch football played correctly then you would go and watch Spain or similar. I replied to this a few days ago but it seems to of gone now ..............i cant be arsed to write it all out again but needless to say i just wanted to make a couple of points......Hodgson hasnt got the cream of the crop to choose from he,s got a handful of players unless he go,s down into the lower leagues.......if you think players like Vaz Te or Matty Jarvis show " passion " your watching different players to me........as for being a real fan because you like to see the game played properly......you follow West Ham because thats your club regardless what division they are in or how well/bad they play.....thats who you are.............its just a shame that " im West Ham " philosophy doesnt count for " Im England " for a lot of football fans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Suzy Ross 236 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 The way I see it, fans of the wee diddy teams support the national side just to get the chance of supporting half decent players for a change. Internationals are nothing but an interference to proper bread and butter football. Champions league, Europa, most of the cup games, even the World Cup finals work around the league and cup games but not these f***ing friendlies and qualifiers. They upset the rhythm of the teams for what? Load of keek. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,897 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) I was at the game last night it amazes me the amount of fans turning on the team......we,ve qualified for the finals easily.........been playing some decent stuff lately.........but because we go and lose a game to a similar placed team its panic time.......makes me laugh the way some people have this ridiculous overeaction any time we lose a game ! Look at France.......one of the most succesful nations in recent times,world cup winners,runners up and twice semi finalists all in the last 25 years...............yet now look like they are not even going to qualify !!...................We won it once near 50 years ago and we start having a meltdown because we lost a friendly ! I used to love following England you would be surrounded by fans of lower league clubs mostly genuine and loyal fans......nowadays there seems to be too many of the glory hunter types following England the type who cant wait to slag our game off if we lose. We are not the best and not the worst..................just like the other 95% of sports teams and sportsmen !! i suppose gnash , what came home to me last night, when we had to play (quite) a good side.We were not good enough, and thats the bottom line mate. Like isaid once world cup kicks off,and the decent teams start to play, england we be coming home early.Lets face it it was only couple of young lads played last night, and you got to give them a go no prob with that. But you could see that england were out played all over the pitch. So he brings on more experience players, to (try) and turn the game round, and that didnt work either, drop another goal. No mate england done well to get to the world cup, but once the play decent team, they are exposed for what there are 2nd rate team at a (higher level) football, and thats it in a nutshell.! and the young players coming through were the worry to me, they just aint good enough .And you only can play with what you got out there. I agree with all of that, we are second rate....I've said it for years.I am as patriotic as they come but I have to talk real about my football and England play like an SPL team. The players are playing week in, week out in the strongest league in the world neat to the top players in the world but as soon as they pull on a white shirt it all go's out the window ( and I'm not talking about this particular game as I didn't watch it because I don't bother watching England very much)........prime example was that game against Germany, the budesliga isn't exactly strong but the German went through England like they were not even there.......they just tore us to bits........there's no belief, no grit and we run out of ideas around 50 minutes and start hoofing it. They are definitely not a top echelon international side and that's a fact IMHO Neither are West Ham it doesnt stop you watching them........West Ham havent won a major trophy in over 30 years.....when the 3rd round Fa Cup draw is made are you expecting West Ham to win the competition ?........West Ham play in the strongest league week in week out next to the top players in the world........is there any more belief,grit......we start hoofing it after 5 minutes let alone 50..............does it stop you watching them ? If a man is patriotic and a football fan.....he gets behind the team,simple......if he,s not either one of those 2 things he doesnt..........what possible reason is there to think we should breeze through teams just because we won the world cup 50 years ago......any more than theres reason to think West Ham should breeze through teams just because we won the Fa Cup 30 years ago..........West Ham are a bang average club side but we get behind them because as fans thats what we do.........England are a bang average international side but we dont get behind them because what ?... they dont run round like headless chickens ? they get paid too much ? Over the years ive found England games is where you find the true football fans who love the game unconditionally.....you might run into a few Swindon or Bristol City fans.......clubs you would never normally run into as a fan of a premier league club......the passion they have for their clubs and country pisses all over some of these Man Utd and Chelsea fans turning up at England games of late.......and the reason they still have that passion is because they are used to having to be realistic in their expectations.......something a lot of followers of premier league clubs just havent got. Sorry big lad but I ain't letting you have that one mate, our hammers do the best with what they have and can afford and it's our club. As England manager you get the pick of the cream of the crop, and this so called cream of the crop just do not live up to their own status. If WHU had the pick of the top players in England it would be a very different story to the one we are so used to. I am a West Ham fan because of lots of reasons and the football probably the least amongst them.........but when you assemble the top players at any sport in your country (and in the case of lots of our players the world) then they should perform to that standard and they time and again just don't Your either world class or your not and lots of these players would class themselves as such.......there is no excuse for some of the displays you see. As for real football fans, I class myself as a real football fan because I like to see the game played properly.......personally, I see England and following England as a chance for small club fans to have an away day and see a few world class players which they wouldn't ordinarily get the chance to do. If you actually like to watch football played correctly then you would go and watch Spain or similar. I replied to this a few days ago but it seems to of gone now ..............i cant be arsed to write it all out again but needless to say i just wanted to make a couple of points......Hodgson hasnt got the cream of the crop to choose from he,s got a handful of players unless he go,s down into the lower leagues.......if you think players like Vaz Te or Matty Jarvis show " passion " your watching different players to me........as for being a real fan because you like to see the game played properly......you follow West Ham because thats your club regardless what division they are in or how well/bad they play.....thats who you are.............its just a shame that " im West Ham " philosophy doesnt count for " Im England " for a lot of football fans. I replyed myself before mate and its gone now, but what I said was.........I don't think we will see eye to eye on this one. The relationship between the international team and the fans is a much more direct two way thing........its not like the win or loose bonds of loyalty to "your club" The fans IMHO are a direct reflection of the team when it comes to the international side and the fans lack or otherwise or feeling for the team reflects what we see on the pitch. I was never a very good loser but you can at least bare it a little better when you know you have given every last drop of blood, sweat and tears........been fully committed to every tackle without a second thought for your own safety and worked to your physical limit to try and get the result........IMHO, I have never witnessed these type of displays from England All any fan asks from these athletes who they pay good money to support is everything and then a little more...........its what you see from Olympians time and again, not to much to ask from someone at the top of their sport is it? Yes, I do think that the likes of Hart, Rooney, Lampard, Terry etc would class themselves as world class.........they play for the top teams in the best league in the world so I don't think they would think of themselves as les Any player who gets to play on the world stage (at international level) is by definition world class Yes, I do think that skill without heart is worthless No, I don't think you can compare a small football club on limited money to having the pick of English talent from the top clubs in England and in some cases the world........I expect more from sportsman at the pinnicle of the game. I do enjoy or chats about football but I just don't agree with you mate Anyway, question..........England beat Germany in the world cup final OR West Ham beat Millwall in the FA cup final? Edited November 19, 2013 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,416 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 The way I see it, fans of the wee diddy teams support the national side just to get the chance of supporting half decent players for a change. Internationals are nothing but an interference to proper bread and butter football. Champions league, Europa, most of the cup games, even the World Cup finals work around the league and cup games but not these f*****g friendlies and qualifiers. They upset the rhythm of the teams for what? Load of keek. Like i said on the other thread Baw......your posts about English football are like wiping snot from the lip on a cold winter morning..........mildly irritating but easily dealt with Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Suzy Ross 236 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 The way I see it, fans of the wee diddy teams support the national side just to get the chance of supporting half decent players for a change. Internationals are nothing but an interference to proper bread and butter football. Champions league, Europa, most of the cup games, even the World Cup finals work around the league and cup games but not these f*****g friendlies and qualifiers. They upset the rhythm of the teams for what? Load of keek. Like i said on the other thread Baw......your posts about English football are like wiping snot from the lip on a cold winter morning..........mildly irritating but easily dealt with It's true mate, I'm not just talking about England, Scotland too. Not many old firm fans support Scotland, some rangers fans support England, some Celtic fans Ireland but that's another issue. It's just your wee diddy team fans who support the national side mostly. Your a prime example Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,416 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I was at the game last night it amazes me the amount of fans turning on the team......we,ve qualified for the finals easily.........been playing some decent stuff lately.........but because we go and lose a game to a similar placed team its panic time.......makes me laugh the way some people have this ridiculous overeaction any time we lose a game ! Look at France.......one of the most succesful nations in recent times,world cup winners,runners up and twice semi finalists all in the last 25 years...............yet now look like they are not even going to qualify !!...................We won it once near 50 years ago and we start having a meltdown because we lost a friendly ! I used to love following England you would be surrounded by fans of lower league clubs mostly genuine and loyal fans......nowadays there seems to be too many of the glory hunter types following England the type who cant wait to slag our game off if we lose. We are not the best and not the worst..................just like the other 95% of sports teams and sportsmen !! i suppose gnash , what came home to me last night, when we had to play (quite) a good side.We were not good enough, and thats the bottom line mate. Like isaid once world cup kicks off,and the decent teams start to play, england we be coming home early.Lets face it it was only couple of young lads played last night, and you got to give them a go no prob with that. But you could see that england were out played all over the pitch. So he brings on more experience players, to (try) and turn the game round, and that didnt work either, drop another goal. No mate england done well to get to the world cup, but once the play decent team, they are exposed for what there are 2nd rate team at a (higher level) football, and thats it in a nutshell.! and the young players coming through were the worry to me, they just aint good enough .And you only can play with what you got out there. I agree with all of that, we are second rate....I've said it for years.I am as patriotic as they come but I have to talk real about my football and England play like an SPL team. The players are playing week in, week out in the strongest league in the world neat to the top players in the world but as soon as they pull on a white shirt it all go's out the window ( and I'm not talking about this particular game as I didn't watch it because I don't bother watching England very much)........prime example was that game against Germany, the budesliga isn't exactly strong but the German went through England like they were not even there.......they just tore us to bits........there's no belief, no grit and we run out of ideas around 50 minutes and start hoofing it. They are definitely not a top echelon international side and that's a fact IMHO Neither are West Ham it doesnt stop you watching them........West Ham havent won a major trophy in over 30 years.....when the 3rd round Fa Cup draw is made are you expecting West Ham to win the competition ?........West Ham play in the strongest league week in week out next to the top players in the world........is there any more belief,grit......we start hoofing it after 5 minutes let alone 50..............does it stop you watching them ? If a man is patriotic and a football fan.....he gets behind the team,simple......if he,s not either one of those 2 things he doesnt..........what possible reason is there to think we should breeze through teams just because we won the world cup 50 years ago......any more than theres reason to think West Ham should breeze through teams just because we won the Fa Cup 30 years ago..........West Ham are a bang average club side but we get behind them because as fans thats what we do.........England are a bang average international side but we dont get behind them because what ?... they dont run round like headless chickens ? they get paid too much ? Over the years ive found England games is where you find the true football fans who love the game unconditionally.....you might run into a few Swindon or Bristol City fans.......clubs you would never normally run into as a fan of a premier league club......the passion they have for their clubs and country pisses all over some of these Man Utd and Chelsea fans turning up at England games of late.......and the reason they still have that passion is because they are used to having to be realistic in their expectations.......something a lot of followers of premier league clubs just havent got. Sorry big lad but I ain't letting you have that one mate, our hammers do the best with what they have and can afford and it's our club. As England manager you get the pick of the cream of the crop, and this so called cream of the crop just do not live up to their own status. If WHU had the pick of the top players in England it would be a very different story to the one we are so used to. I am a West Ham fan because of lots of reasons and the football probably the least amongst them.........but when you assemble the top players at any sport in your country (and in the case of lots of our players the world) then they should perform to that standard and they time and again just don't Your either world class or your not and lots of these players would class themselves as such.......there is no excuse for some of the displays you see. As for real football fans, I class myself as a real football fan because I like to see the game played properly.......personally, I see England and following England as a chance for small club fans to have an away day and see a few world class players which they wouldn't ordinarily get the chance to do. If you actually like to watch football played correctly then you would go and watch Spain or similar. I replied to this a few days ago but it seems to of gone now ..............i cant be arsed to write it all out again but needless to say i just wanted to make a couple of points......Hodgson hasnt got the cream of the crop to choose from he,s got a handful of players unless he go,s down into the lower leagues.......if you think players like Vaz Te or Matty Jarvis show " passion " your watching different players to me........as for being a real fan because you like to see the game played properly......you follow West Ham because thats your club regardless what division they are in or how well/bad they play.....thats who you are.............its just a shame that " im West Ham " philosophy doesnt count for " Im England " for a lot of football fans. I replyed myself before mate and its gone now, but what I said was.........I don't think we will see eye to eye on this one. The relationship between the international team and the fans is a much more direct two way thing........its not like the win or loose bonds of loyalty to "your club" The fans IMHO are a direct reflection of the team when it comes to the international side and the fans lack or otherwise or feeling for the team reflects what we see on the pitch. I was never a very good loser but you can at least bare it a little better when you know you have given every last drop of blood, sweat and tears........been fully committed to every tackle without a second thought for your own safety and worked to your physical limit to try and get the result........IMHO, I have never witnessed these type of displays from England All any fan asks from these athletes who they pay good money to support is everything and then a little more...........its what you see from Olympians time and again, not to much to ask from someone at the top of their sport is it? Yes, I do think that the likes of Hart, Rooney, Lampard, Terry etc would class themselves as world class.........they play for the top teams in the best league in the world so I don't think they would think of themselves as les Any player who gets to play on the world stage (at international level) is by definition world class Yes, I do think that skill without heart is worthless No, I don't think you can compare a small football club on limited money to having the pick of English talent from the top clubs in England and in some cases the world........I expect more from sportsman at the pinnicle of the game. I do enjoy or chats about football but I just don't agree with you mate Anyway, question..........England beat Germany in the world cup final OR West Ham beat Millwall in the FA cup final? Now your just being silly ......................There is nothing i would not give for the Hammers to meet Millwall in a cup final. I think the only thing we are going to agree on.......is that we are never going to agree Wilf when i watched Steven Gerrard last night......Steven Gerrard was MY player.....Joe Hart was MY goalkeeper.....Ashley Cole was MY left back.....i kicked every ball they kicked and was 100% behind them............next week i,ll go back to detesting them !.......That is the power of the 3 lions on the shirt......do you have an affection for Ricardo Vaz Te ?.......i cant stand him he grates on me as a footballer......but when he gets off the bench he is West Ham and thats all that matters......thats the power of the crossed hammers on the shirt. I dont care for what footballers earn,what they do off the pitch or who they are married to im a football fan pure and simple...i dont think England players give any less than West Ham players give......im not being impolite but i believe people like you Wilf are subconsciously kidnapped of your own thoughts by our disgusting media.......no other area in sport are OUR own athletes/managers publically humiliated and left out to dry through the press like they are within the world of international football............................................and we are supposed to be a loyal and proud nation ...i will never understand it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,416 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 The way I see it, fans of the wee diddy teams support the national side just to get the chance of supporting half decent players for a change. Internationals are nothing but an interference to proper bread and butter football. Champions league, Europa, most of the cup games, even the World Cup finals work around the league and cup games but not these f*****g friendlies and qualifiers. They upset the rhythm of the teams for what? Load of keek. Like i said on the other thread Baw......your posts about English football are like wiping snot from the lip on a cold winter morning..........mildly irritating but easily dealt with It's true mate, I'm not just talking about England, Scotland too. Not many old firm fans support Scotland, some rangers fans support England, some Celtic fans Ireland but that's another issue. It's just your wee diddy team fans who support the national side mostly. Your a prime example I totally understand lower league fans coming out for England games,personally its one of the things i love about Internationals......but just because a Man Utd or Chelsea fan doesnt follow England home and away doesnt mean they prefer to discuss Scottish football than discuss their own nation like you do.......sorry but i think thats where you are on your own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 The way I see it, fans of the wee diddy teams support the national side just to get the chance of supporting half decent players for a change. Internationals are nothing but an interference to proper bread and butter football. Champions league, Europa, most of the cup games, even the World Cup finals work around the league and cup games but not these f*****g friendlies and qualifiers. They upset the rhythm of the teams for what? Load of keek. Is that why you support England then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Suzy Ross 236 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 The way I see it, fans of the wee diddy teams support the national side just to get the chance of supporting half decent players for a change. Internationals are nothing but an interference to proper bread and butter football. Champions league, Europa, most of the cup games, even the World Cup finals work around the league and cup games but not these f*****g friendlies and qualifiers. They upset the rhythm of the teams for what? Load of keek. Like i said on the other thread Baw......your posts about English football are like wiping snot from the lip on a cold winter morning..........mildly irritating but easily dealt with It's true mate, I'm not just talking about England, Scotland too. Not many old firm fans support Scotland, some rangers fans support England, some Celtic fans Ireland but that's another issue. It's just your wee diddy team fans who support the national side mostly. Your a prime example I totally understand lower league fans coming out for England games,personally its one of the things i love about Internationals......but just because a Man Utd or Chelsea fan doesnt follow England home and away doesnt mean they prefer to discuss Scottish football than discuss their own nation like you do.......sorry but i think thats where you are on your own. you are the king of contradiction. You say your a lover of football and yet you can't see why I would want to discuss about other countries football. Is this a new rule, you can only talk about your own nations football? Look around gnash, there aren't many Scottish football fans want to discuss football on here. If we were going to the World Cup, we'd be discussing it. Right now we ain't, and talking about England getting humped by Germany is a good talking point no matter how you try to deflect it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,897 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Not impolite at all Gnasher, I don't read newspapers mate and to be honest I didn't agree with what I heard on the news about the team this morning......last night was what it was, a few youngsters who looked fit and sharp and came out and tried to get at the Germans. I don't buy into the money thing either, I don't think how much a sportsman gets paid has anything to do with how they perform All I can do is call it how I see it, and that's how I see England. Atb 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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