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[Guest joe ox]

yes they do thank you the kelpi cross has never been on the fens though.

 

Do you think its possible a dog which is capable of killing and winning matchs on the fens can also make a lamping dog that can kill big bags of hares on the lamp regular ?

Edited August 17, 2007 by joe ox

[TOMO 24,940]

yes they do thank you the kelpi cross has never been on the fens though.

 

Do you think its possible a dog which is capable of killing and winning matchs on the fens can also make a lamping dog that can kill big bags of hares on the lamp regular ?

 

i honestly dont know. i havent herd of any one doing it. but of course that dont mean it hasnt been done.

 

i think like s vicers said earlier there are two types of staminar . the sort a lamping dog has where its back and forward all night. and the daytime specialist.

 

mind you there are some that can do a bit of both . my own bitch has cought winter hares on the flat land and took good hauls of buns on the lamp.

 

but then again she aint a real quality daytime hare killer on the fen.

 

so in short i dont know TOMO

[Guest bitsa lurcher]

Stamina...stamina...most of the people on this forum including me could run a marathon if we would be properly conditioned, build up the exercise and have the appropriate diet for it...the same goes for dogs probably...but it will be easier for some of us cause of the differences in the way we're built...

 

L.

 

 

Totally

 

It is why we have different people excelling at differing tracke events. Carl lewis has probably been the greatest track sprinter of our generation (well mine - some of yous lot may need to ask your parents). Any way he was an out and out sprinter, also long jumper.

 

there is no way in heaven or hell that he would hve stood a chance against Haile Gebrselassie over anything above 400 m.

 

Look at the build of the two atheletes....they are not built the same. Just the same as a salukiand a greyhound AREN't built the same.

 

Trouble is lurcher work tends to be a bity of a hash between being and longdistance runner and a sprinter so what we want to look at is the equivalent of a decathlon athelete. Again they are a different build again.

 

But this mixing of the disciplines is where the real trouble starts. Because it is IMPOSSIBLE to be exceptional at alll disciplines - OTHERWISE Paula radcliffe would have a olympic gold over the 100m in her cupboard.

 

In short something has to give - and when it does you get individuals that are fantastic alrounders - excelling at some things and haing a weakness in others.

 

As lurcher owner/breeders we are trying to find that exceptional creature that defies physiological boundaries.

 

Collies, Bull breeds, terriers, salukis, greyhounds all have exceptional qualities. We are just trying to blend the best bits as best we can.

 

A collie, as a rule, will NEVER EVER compete with a saluki in distance running at pace.

THEN AGAIN

A Saluki, as a rile, will NEVER EVER win one man and his dog.

then NEITHER will win a ratting competition or draw a fox.

 

Most rational adults can except this and enjoy the dog they have for what it does.

 

A fool would buy a 3/4 saluki / 1/4 greyhound if all he/she wanted to do was use the dog alongside ferrets and out longnetting.

 

Then again it would be a special kind of idiot that would take a reverse 3/4 collie and head off to lincolnnshire with a roll of match cash and expect to come home with anything other than a lot less cash.

 

YES there are dogs who buck these trends to a degree but a specialist will in its field always win.

 

What muddies the waters more than anything else is you and I, us. We have such a huge impact on that 8 week old bundle we pick-up.

 

I am not talking about turning a sows ear into a silk purse. BUT in the right hands and average dog can look bloody good and in the wrong hands a perfect animal can be reduced to a shabby performer.

 

The trouble is that human nature means that we tend to blame the tools - - our dogs. But how many times on here have you read that so and so KNOWs how to bring a dog on on words to that effect.....................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VERY F##KING RARELY.

 

(yeah yeah we know who the exceptions are)

 

 

 

 

 

Sh1te I really have banged on a bit. sorry.

 

well said "sorley x " ..............good thread lads ........my eyes feel like there square now

[J Darcy 5,871]

yes they do thank you the kelpi cross has never been on the fens though.

 

Do you think its possible a dog which is capable of killing and winning matchs on the fens can also make a lamping dog that can kill big bags of hares on the lamp regular ?

 

Perhaps those lads with dogs that are capable of killing decent daytime hares wouldnt run them in the lamp? Many people have alot of respect for the hare and don't feel the need to kill the hare by any means. Personally i like nothing more than seeing a decent lurcher hunting up rough fields and having a good course on a hare it has found and risen itself.

As a young kid i used to lamp brown hares , the reason: Simply because my dog was shit and jacked on them in the daytime..therefore i needed to load the dice heavily in the dogs favour...lamping from gateways, drystone wall fields, christ we even used to double up on the poor half-blinded hares. Thankfully i saw the light (no pun intended) and these days lamping such a magnificent beast is no longer a thought in my mind.....

Of course, each time any of us lamps we are stacking the odds in our dogs favour, but for some quarry the lamp is the best for at night is the only time quarry in any numbers can be encountered out in the fields....but hares are out all day long....

 

 

But its each to their own..... good huntiing JD

[snoopdog 1,255]

hares are mostly night feeders darcey you thick bum boy iam not talking about the fens ...hares stay in cover most of the day ie. small woods rough groung heather ect ect ect...and come out a night to feed well a good % of them do ...

[Guest joe ox]

JD how old are you?

[J Darcy 5,871]

hares are mostly night feeders darcey you thick bum boy iam not talking about the fens ...hares stay in cover most of the day ie. small woods rough groung heather ect ect ect...and come out a night to feed well a good % of them do ...

 

erm....you sure about that bummer.....i beg to differ. I have flushed hundreds and hundreds of hares from their seats in the fields in daytime....if they were woodland dwellers by day the pastime of coursing would be a bit hard now wouldnt it...... The only time i see hares in the woodland in any numbers is when the snow is thick...... Just MHO Snoops... good hunting...JD

[J Darcy 5,871]

JD how old are you?

old enough...its experience that is important.,,....not age.....

 

i know 60 year old men that are true divi's, letting their dogs kill sheep, doubling up on summertime hares and killing hares floundering in a foot deep snow. I knwo others that always have "the best little bitch in england", but its sold the very next week and another "world beater" is in their kennel, being run lame.

 

Yet i know of 17-18 year old lads that are well clued up, they know their game and they know how to behave in a fair and sporting manner. Age is immaterial. Good hunting. JD.

[Guest joe ox]

I only asked your age JD why are you going straight into defensive mode?

[Phil Lloyd 10,736]

hares are mostly night feeders darcey you thick bum boy iam not talking about the fens ...hares stay in cover most of the day ie. small woods rough groung heather ect ect ect...and come out a night to feed well a good % of them do ...

 

 

Feck chasing them in the big ole fields Snoop,...

My only chance of a hare is to net the feckers as they leave the rough brash and thick cover...

It must be nice to see a dog catch them,...mine just follow them to the webs,...they must lack stamina..

Edited August 18, 2007 by CHALKWARREN

[snoopdog 1,255]

hares are mostly night feeders darcey you thick bum boy iam not talking about the fens ...hares stay in cover most of the day ie. small woods rough groung heather ect ect ect...and come out a night to feed well a good % of them do ...

 

erm....you sure about that bummer.....i beg to differ. I have flushed hundreds and hundreds of hares from their seats in the fields in daytime....if they were woodland dwellers by day the pastime of coursing would be a bit hard now wouldnt it...... The only time i see hares in the woodland in any numbers is when the snow is thick...... Just MHO Snoops... good hunting...JD

hares are mostly nocternal feeders ..fact round me where i hunt and i have caught the odd hare the hares stay in the rougher fields small woods and go out into the open fields a night to feed where there is no cover ,,,YES you do get them out in the open but when you go out with the lamp they are all over the open feilds where the grass is shorter ....i go up the dales quite a bit and you see the odd daytime hare ...you go at night and you see plenty ...WHY because they are night feeders and thats when they come out into the open ... iam talking the smaller feilds ..i can go round the a1 and southport ect ect and yes you see more out in the open through the day ..for example jd ..this pic where i go you will rarely see one out in the open ...they stay in the tuft grass and in the cover ..and you do need a dog that can use its nose and that wood in the pic has hares in it all year round ..

[J Darcy 5,871]

Well, around me theyr'e out all day on the grasses....not one or two...but dozens., once videoed 16 in one field. During the daytime they eat their own feaces whilst in their seat . Different land...different habits i guess....

not getting into an arguement snoops, just stating what i have seen.... :kiss:

[Phil Lloyd 10,736]

That is MY kind of ground Snoop,...real 'Lurcher Land'...nothing like that darn sarf.....

You are a VERY VERY,..lucky guy....

Edited August 18, 2007 by CHALKWARREN

[Giro 2,648]

you should just shoot hares you dont have to worrie about the stamina of a bullet

[snoopdog 1,255]

no arguement intened JD thats how it is round me alot of rough ground and and a lot of cover ...the sheep feilds which have no cover you rarely see a hare ...but when you go for a shine i see plenty in them fields. i have actully sat there and watch hares come off the moorland at dusk coming in to the grass feilds to feed for the night ...i wish i could see that amount of hares sat out in the open through the daytime ..dont get me wrong theres plenty about round me but you have to work to get one it isnt a case of point and slip

 

mr chalkwarren i do count myself lucky in some respects and like you i do like and love working the cover but i also love watching a good course on open fields but i have to travel for that ...... ....all the best snoop