blackstaff 488 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 trouble is most breeders of bullxwhips will tell you there not fox dogs,then you get a load of people slating em cause they struggle on charles. Why would anybody breed bull into any lurcher if not with the hope of producing fox dogs. Because you can't get a 3/8x 5/8 or 3/4 without having a 1st x to get there ? I bred mine for my own reasons stated many times before, stronger than a whip, faster than a bull, very versatile and put 100% into everything they do just for starters . . . . 1 Quote Link to post
Qbgrey 3,991 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 trouble is most breeders of bullxwhips will tell you there not fox dogs,then you get a load of people slating em cause they struggle on charles. Why would anybody breed bull into any lurcher if not with the hope of producing fox dogs. Because you can't get a 3/8x 5/8 or 3/4 without having a 1st x to get there ? I bred mine for my own reasons stated many times before, stronger than a whip, faster than a bull, very versatile and put 100% into everything they do just for starters . . . . agree mate,i rate them allways wondered why people needed these bucket headed bullxs the size of a camel for fox.my bullxwhip does what i need,and thats all quarry,taken a variety of ways. 1 Quote Link to post
bwfc 164 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 My mate has a Bull/Whippet and hes 18yrs old and long retired.Fantastic on the Rabbit,and will flush bigger stuff out for the more capable dogs in the group.Had an hatred for postmen,anyone black,and Rats,plus no-one could shut him up!.He also hated the sound of the indicators in the car,it would send him off hes head.He would be jumping about the car front and back,over passengers heads,on the dash and parcel shelf.lol Not recommended for Fox though as its highly likely to come of far the worst off!. Quote Link to post
elisderyn 496 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 trouble is most breeders of bullxwhips will tell you there not fox dogs,then you get a load of people slating em cause they struggle on charles. Why would anybody breed bull into any lurcher if not with the hope of producing fox dogs. Because you can't get a 3/8x 5/8 or 3/4 without having a 1st x to get there ? I bred mine for my own reasons stated many times before, stronger than a whip, faster than a bull, very versatile and put 100% into everything they do just for starters . . . . agree mate,i rate them allways wondered why people needed these bucket headed bullxs the size of a camel for fox.my bullxwhip does what i need,and thats all quarry,taken a variety of ways. i know for 2 bull/whip dogs that are owned by a big bull/whip breeder or was a big breeder before they sickend him for missing so much stuff!! they both have heads the same size as 2 bull/greys that i own and are only 6/7 pound lighter and 2" shorter but still worlds apart when it comes to catching and dispatching!! preban foxes.... only once have i ever! see a bull/whip catch a preban fox and that was doubled up with a colliex and that did all the work an ran it straight in to the bull/whip....... Quote Link to post
blackstaff 488 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) By the sounds of things I am very lucky in what I have seen then ? Or possibly just a ' lucky ' breeding ? Edited June 3, 2013 by blackstaff Quote Link to post
elisderyn 496 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 By the sounds of things I am very lucky in what I have seen then ? Or possibly just a ' lucky ' breeding ? i wouldnt say lucky,,,its down to circumstances! how often is the dog doing it? if your bull/whip is actually catching foxes its only doing it in and around cover! and not in the open field and it would prob need a hand to finnish matters,,a good fox will out preforme a bull/whip in the open field,, good foxdogs out preforme foxes in the open field not just round obstacles that slow em down! or like you say you may just have a one off........!! any preban pics of this dog. 1 Quote Link to post
toby63 1,236 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 what makes By the sounds of things I am very lucky in what I have seen then ? Or possibly just a ' lucky ' breeding ? i wouldnt say lucky,,,its down to circumstances! how often is the dog doing it? if your bull/whip is actually catching foxes its only doing it in and around cover! and not in the open field and it would prob need a hand to finnish matters,,a good fox will out preforme a bull/whip in the open field,, good foxdogs out preforme foxes in the open field not just round obstacles that slow em down! or like you say you may just have a one off........!! any preban pics of this dog.why would you think they wouldnt catch on open fields Quote Link to post
sikastag_1 689 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Don't like bull Xs, but f**k me the guy came on asking for a bull whippet and everyone's telling him to get something else, if he wanted a bull grey he would of asked for 1 lol maybe he wants a wee sturdy dog that ain't capable of riding into battle lol 1 Quote Link to post
elisderyn 496 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) what makes By the sounds of things I am very lucky in what I have seen then ? Or possibly just a ' lucky ' breeding ?i wouldnt say lucky,,,its down to circumstances! how often is the dog doing it? if your bull/whip is actually catching foxes its only doing it in and around cover! and not in the open field and it would prob need a hand to finnish matters,,a good fox will out preforme a bull/whip in the open field,, good foxdogs out preforme foxes in the open field not just round obstacles that slow em down! or like you say you may just have a one off........!! any preban pics of this dog.why would you think they wouldnt catch on open fields because iv never seen one do it! and iv seen a couple day/night, and nor has the guy thats most known for breeding them ever seen his ones catch any in the open! and they had more opportunity then most... Edited June 3, 2013 by elisderyn 1 Quote Link to post
toby63 1,236 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 what makes By the sounds of things I am very lucky in what I have seen then ? Or possibly just a ' lucky ' breeding ?i wouldnt say lucky,,,its down to circumstances! how often is the dog doing it? if your bull/whip is actually catching foxes its only doing it in and around cover! and not in the open field and it would prob need a hand to finnish matters,,a good fox will out preforme a bull/whip in the open field,, good foxdogs out preforme foxes in the open field not just round obstacles that slow em down! or like you say you may just have a one off........!! any preban pics of this dog.why would you think they wouldnt catch on open fields because iv never seen one do it! and iv seen a couple day/night, and nor has the guy thats most known for breeding them ever seen his ones catch any in the open! and they had more opportunity then most...so what you saying there not quick enough .mine as bit of grey in him but still only 22tts and quick for what i want. 1 Quote Link to post
blackstaff 488 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 what makes By the sounds of things I am very lucky in what I have seen then ? Or possibly just a ' lucky ' breeding ?i wouldnt say lucky,,,its down to circumstances! how often is the dog doing it? if your bull/whip is actually catching foxes its only doing it in and around cover! and not in the open field and it would prob need a hand to finnish matters,,a good fox will out preforme a bull/whip in the open field,, good foxdogs out preforme foxes in the open field not just round obstacles that slow em down! or like you say you may just have a one off........!! any preban pics of this dog.why would you think they wouldnt catch on open fields because iv never seen one do it! and iv seen a couple day/night, and nor has the guy thats most known for breeding them ever seen his ones catch any in the open! and they had more opportunity then most... So because you've never seen it done it's not possible ?? Who said I was talking about my dog, I didn't. No one on this thread has said that these dogs are out and out fox dogs or Hare dogs or deer dogs for that matter. Top end speed is quick enough for most quarry also, wether it be ' around obstacles ' or open ground. Very underestimated dogs if you manage to get a decent 1 (imo) Quote Link to post
elisderyn 496 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 they havent got the length there only good for short bursts, ideal round cover,, that bit of greyhound that yours has makes hell of a difference they need that lenght of stride to eat up the ground. Quote Link to post
Qbgrey 3,991 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 mine gets up to quarry like a rocket,hes quite leggy,and 23tts.............whos this breeder mate you keep on about? Quote Link to post
blackstaff 488 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Not sure how much Grey in my 2, maybe 1/8th ? Sire 1/4 grey, Dam 100% bull. Not sure if that would make that much difference overall ? Quote Link to post
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