Help!!!!

[weasle 1,119]

To cut a long story short i ended up with a pup3 months old very nervous,Since then he has been with me nearly constantly,In the house even on the couch,Ferreting any where i can have him with me.Just left him to do what he wanted within reason.

Now 2 months on my head is totally fried, Out with the other dogs you wouldn't think hes nervous,When hes asleep on the couch a bomb could go off.The odd time he wants to play grand.

But then when you want him sometimes he will come head down body curled(i can handle that) other times he just sits there from a safe distance ears pricked,Sitting down walking away non of that works.

Trying to do any retrieving or anything else for that matter he just gos nervous.Unless he wants to play.

Now normally at 5 months old I would be tripping over a pup if i stood up the pup would stand up so keen would he be to please.

Instead now i have a pup that i don't really know whats right or wrong thing to do.Don't think he should be allowed on the couch any more one because Ive had decent dogs long retired and well earned not be allowed up,and two He might be thinking hes higher up the pack order than he is.

After work tonight took dogs walk came back feed big dogs let pup in the house,Into the kitchen call him he ran straight under the kitchen table sat ears pricked no amount of coaxing,So feeling my self cracking put him straight back out to his kennel.

I know all this sounds like I'm a beginner but I'm not,I never had a problem training a dog before (all i need train really is retrieve come back when called the rest is learned in the field),but they all wanted to please or at least be with you,This one Go`s from I'M SCARED,I'M HERE TO PLAY,F**K YOU.Certainly the first and last one every hour or so.

So what to do?Any one had a dog like this how did it work out?Thoughts?

 

 

[AirgunGuy 362]

Sounds as though its just the dogs temperament mate. At only 5months its difficult to judge. Give him more time instead of considering dumpin him on someone else as itll just throw the dog out again. Dont molycoddle him...you're doin him no favours. If he's good, praise him but not overdoin it. If he's bad a raised voice should be more than enough. Let him do his own thing to build confidence. Thats my 2 bobs worth...for what its worth ha. Hope he comes out of it mate. Let us know how you get on!

[Taz-n-Lily 62]

He's just a pup, and different mixes take different times to mature.

 

What's the mix?

[DogMagic 461]

First of all DONT treat him with any special treatment (letting him on the sofa etc), that will just make the others jealous and a fight will happen eventually. Grill some bacon or sausage, put it in a plastic bag, get an extenda lead. As long as possible. Go for a walk and let him take the lead to full stretch. Call him as you would normally. If he ignores you GENTLY pull him back to you. If you let him ignore you at this point its telling him its ok to ignore you. But dont be to harsh, just pull him back gently calling him again. When he gets to you give him an inch or so square of bacon and make a fuss of him. Then carry on the walk. 10 minutes later repeat the process. It wont be long before he comes running back the minute you call him

[weasle 1,119]

Airgun guy I'm not a quitter,just thought id put it up here and see what response,Sometimes you cannot see the wood through the trees

 

Taz all puppies are immature,Think i know what your saying though but there might be more to it than that.

 

Dog magic,Always thought theres no point telling a dog to do something it ain't going to do or your teaching it to ignore you,Trouble with this one you can be playing with him one minute call him a second later and he will act like you've just beat him.But yes might join the extend able lead brigade.

Edited March 7, 2013 by weasle

[AirgunGuy 362]

Not suggestin you are mate. You just came across as bein very frustrated with the dog and all i was suggestin was to give the dog a chance and more time. Im no expert but i would say i know enough to know that the dog is too young to judge. Im sure you know that too. Im used to gundogs that are hyper and headstong though last summer got a Whippet who is the opposite. I can roar at tihe GSP and Wei as they need it at times but if i was to roar at the Whippet he'd be off with his tail between his legs. He's just timid by nature ;+)

[weasle 1,119]

I am frustrated Hes a tool but i try not to let him know i think that.

[AirgunGuy 362]

Haha...best of luck with him anyway mate. Hope he comes good ;+)

[mooney1 120]

My pup was exactly the same pal, I cannot believe how you described it but I did just what dog magic said and it worked brilliant, my pup is also 5 months old and coming on a treat .A bit of patience and tasty treats will work . By the way mine is a 3/4 salukie 1/4 grey

[Huan72 687]

Just a few thoughts that may help! You said you got him at three months, do you know what his experiences were as a very young pup? He is fine with the other dogs but difficut to read around peope so is there any chance that he was treated roughly by someone in the past? If he has been, that may explain why he will sometimes wanna be around you and will sometimes be nervous of you. I would suggest that there might be something that you do in your your behaviour without even realising it or knowing it that takes him right back to a bad or frightening experience. When he exhibits his nervous side, analyse what you were doing at the time, did you have a hand raised? was your voice raised? were you wearing certain clothes or a certain hat? If he associates one thing or a couple of things with bad treatment, then you can remove whatever they are and stop the associations that he may be making. Just a few thoughts but I hope they help

[Maximus Ferret 2,064]

How much handling did this pup get in his first three months before you had him? He sounds like a typical un socialised pup. What they don't get in their first 12 weeks can be very hard to replace.

If it IS lack of handling in the first 12 weeks then DOG Magic's on the right lines but it takes a lot of time and patience. The long lead is good because you can correct him without making too much of it and without getting wound up yourself. I once took on a border collie from a farm where they had fed it but never touched it or put a collar on etc. I eventually got him so he'd come to me when called and have his lead on but he was always jumpy and a bit nervy.

[weasle 1,119]

Just a few thoughts that may help! You said you got him at three months, do you know what his experiences were as a very young pup? He is fine with the other dogs but difficut to read around peope so is there any chance that he was treated roughly by someone in the past? If he has been, that may explain why he will sometimes wanna be around you and will sometimes be nervous of you. I would suggest that there might be something that you do in your your behaviour without even realising it or knowing it that takes him right back to a bad or frightening experience. When he exhibits his nervous side, analyse what you were doing at the time, did you have a hand raised? was your voice raised? were you wearing certain clothes or a certain hat? If he associates one thing or a couple of things with bad treatment, then you can remove whatever they are and stop the associations that he may be making. Just a few thoughts but I hope they help

Good post that mate,yes dont think its just down to being unsocialized,unfortunately the bad experience seems to be the being called,its worse around the yard and kennel,patting your legs come here boy makes it worse.As i say if you saw him out walking ferreting you wouldn't think he was bad, call him though

[3 Turns 326]

ALRIGHT MATE.

YOU SAID IN YOUR POST YOU HAD RETIRED DOGS WHO HAD EARNED THERE PLACE ON THE COUCH.

THIS 1 HASNT

SHOW HIM WHERE HE STANDS IN THE PECKING ORDER.

GET HIM OUTBACK WHERE HE BELONGS AND REMEMBER WHO YOU USED TO BE.

ITS ALRIGHT FOR THE OTHER DOGS BUT NOT THE PUP.

MAKE HIM HARDY. ATB GERZ.

[Huan72 687]

Im glad the post was usefull to you mate If being called and his recall is the problem I think you have had some excellent advice from DogMagic. As he said when using that method really fuss and praise him when he comes back to you and do not yank him or be harsh with your voice. You are teaching him that when he comes to you good things happen. He is only young and in my experience dogs repay dedication and loyalty ten fold! Put the work in now and you will be rewarded big time Good luck and let us know how you get on.

[woz 260]

ALRIGHT MATE.

YOU SAID IN YOUR POST YOU HAD RETIRED DOGS WHO HAD EARNED THERE PLACE ON THE COUCH.

THIS 1 HASNT

SHOW HIM WHERE HE STANDS IN THE PECKING ORDER.

GET HIM OUTBACK WHERE HE BELONGS AND REMEMBER WHO YOU USED TO BE.

ITS ALRIGHT FOR THE OTHER DOGS BUT NOT THE PUP.

MAKE HIM HARDY. ATB GERZ.

Iv got to agree....... When you say you've tried walking off and he doesn't come?? How far do you walk?? The idea is .....walk off don't look back and keep walking..sounds like the dogs got the upper hand...always be calm and gentle with the dog BUT take the power away from the dog..if ya worried put a name tag on his collar and keep walking...the dogs programmed to be in a pack....