gnasher16 31,557 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 You mean or should mean what a sensible thing for a Big Club Like Arsenal To HaveTo Admit Surely !! He has 5 months off his contract left and if he makes the statement he is Angling for a move so Let's put the Sentiment Out The Window And do What's Right For Arsenal . . . And that would mean Sell him or would you think it was A Better Idea to Let him Leave For Nothing in A Couple off months , when Maybe Man City would pay 15 million . . . And Gnash you pick out snippets from posts and reply to them , in this instance it your snippet it looks like I've said "if our players want to win trophies we better sell them" which isn't the case when you read my Whole Post , there's a reason behind that Statement and a valid 1 at that ! I dont pick snippets out of posts........i pick interesting comments that catch my eye.......and that Lanesra was a pretty astounding comment you made.......you did make it didnt you ?.....i mean it wasnt me who said it im just repeating what you said and commenting if thats ok with you like...... Now if the Walcott situation was a one off im sure Arsenal fans would accept it..............but when its happened with 5 or 6 of their best players over the last few years....who have all left to win trophies......and all won trophies...................to hear a comment like " if our players want to win trophies we better sell them " i think is pretty damn hard to swallow !!...............But it sounds to me like you have been brainwashed in exactly the way Wenger wants !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,735 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 You mean or should mean what a sensible thing for a Big Club Like Arsenal To HaveTo Admit Surely !! He has 5 months off his contract left and if he makes the statement he is Angling for a move so Let's put the Sentiment Out The Window And do What's Right For Arsenal . . . And that would mean Sell him or would you think it was A Better Idea to Let him Leave For Nothing in A Couple off months , when Maybe Man City would pay 15 million . . . And Gnash you pick out snippets from posts and reply to them , in this instance it your snippet it looks like I've said "if our players want to win trophies we better sell them" which isn't the case when you read my Whole Post , there's a reason behind that Statement and a valid 1 at that ! I dont pick snippets out of posts........i pick interesting comments that catch my eye.......and that Lanesra was a pretty astounding comment you made.......you did make it didnt you ?.....i mean it wasnt me who said it im just repeating what you said and commenting if thats ok with you like...... Now if the Walcott situation was a one off im sure Arsenal fans would accept it..............but when its happened with 5 or 6 of their best players over the last few years....who have all left to win trophies......and all won trophies...................to hear a comment like " if our players want to win trophies we better sell them " i think is pretty damn hard to swallow !!...............But it sounds to me like you have been brainwashed in exactly the way Wenger wants !! Surely the problem is the timing of the contract negotiations, he's got 5 months left, arsenal have made themselves desperate and that's not a good position when discussing money.... Forget trophies and playing up front, Walcott has no reason to be any more loyal than another employee of any company head hunted by another.... If your on 10 pound an hour and someone offers you 20 pound would you stay loyal? Money has changed football, but that's not the footballers fault, I respect Arsenals wages stance to a degree, but whilst its in place they will not keep their top players and not compete.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,557 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Surely the problem is the timing of the contract negotiations, he's got 5 months left, arsenal have made themselves desperate and that's not a good position when discussing money.... Forget trophies and playing up front, Walcott has no reason to be any more loyal than another employee of any company head hunted by another.... If your on 10 pound an hour and someone offers you 20 pound would you stay loyal? Money has changed football, but that's not the footballers fault, I respect Arsenals wages stance to a degree, but whilst its in place they will not keep their top players and not compete.... When a financially massive club like Arsenal whos team on the pitch are managed by a qualified accountant continually get themself in positions like they have with Walcott you have to ask yourself where on their list of priorities is winning football trophies..............when the left back i forget his name now,and Toure left to " win trophies " as they said.....and the year after they left Arsenal won trophies.......was the writing not on the wall........then when Adebayor and Nasri did exactly the same thing and won trophies after leaving Arsenal...............then when Fabregas and Song did exactly the same thing and won trophies after leaving Arsenal.......then Van Persie who again is likely to win trophies the year after leaving Arsenal........................................i mean how long does it take to get your act together and give top sportsmen every incentive to want to stay !..............Nobody could call Walcott anything for leaving Arsenal.....infact you would have to question his competetive spirit if he stayed !! Edited December 31, 2012 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 4,007 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 You mean or should mean what a sensible thing for a Big Club Like Arsenal To HaveTo Admit Surely !! He has 5 months off his contract left and if he makes the statement he is Angling for a move so Let's put the Sentiment Out The Window And do What's Right For Arsenal . . . And that would mean Sell him or would you think it was A Better Idea to Let him Leave For Nothing in A Couple off months , when Maybe Man City would pay 15 million . . . And Gnash you pick out snippets from posts and reply to them , in this instance it your snippet it looks like I've said "if our players want to win trophies we better sell them" which isn't the case when you read my Whole Post , there's a reason behind that Statement and a valid 1 at that ! I dont pick snippets out of posts........i pick interesting comments that catch my eye.......and that Lanesra was a pretty astounding comment you made.......you did make it didnt you ?.....i mean it wasnt me who said it im just repeating what you said and commenting if thats ok with you like...... Now if the Walcott situation was a one off im sure Arsenal fans would accept it..............but when its happened with 5 or 6 of their best players over the last few years....who have all left to win trophies......and all won trophies...................to hear a comment like " if our players want to win trophies we better sell them " i think is pretty damn hard to swallow !!...............But it sounds to me like you have been brainwashed in exactly the way Wenger wants !! Now read my post again "I DIDN'T SAY WHAT YOU PUT IN INVERTED COMMERS" . . . Gnasher you are very clever with the wording you pick out off a post as you word it as if I've just come out and said "IF AN ARSENAL PLAYER WANTS TO WIN TROPHIES WE BETTER SELL THEM" a statement I NEVER SAID !!! . . . YOU SAID "WHAT IF HE SAYS HE WANTS TO LEAVE TO WIN TROPHIES". your Words , I then Responded and said "IF (repeat) IF . . HE MAKES THAT STATEMENT THERE'S NOT MUCH ARSENAL CAN DO BECUSE HE IS ANGLING FOR A MOVE AS HE HAS ALREADY MADE A DIFFERENT COMMENT , WHICH WILL TELL ME HE IS SAYING WHAT SUITS TO LEAVE . . SO IN THAT SCENARIO THE BEST ARSENAL CAN DO FOR ARSENAL IS SELL HIM ? OR (and I'm asking a questions to you here) WOULD YOU SAY IT'S BETTER FOR THE CLUB TO LET HIM GO FOR NOTHING IN A COUPLE OFF MONTHS OR TAKE SAY 15 MILLION ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,735 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Surely the problem is the timing of the contract negotiations, he's got 5 months left, arsenal have made themselves desperate and that's not a good position when discussing money.... Forget trophies and playing up front, Walcott has no reason to be any more loyal than another employee of any company head hunted by another.... If your on 10 pound an hour and someone offers you 20 pound would you stay loyal? Money has changed football, but that's not the footballers fault, I respect Arsenals wages stance to a degree, but whilst its in place they will not keep their top players and not compete.... When a financially massive club like Arsenal whos team on the pitch are managed by a qualified accountant continually get themself in positions like they have with Walcott you have to ask yourself where on their list of priorities is winning football trophies..............when the left back i forget his name now,and Toure left to " win trophies " as they said.....and the year after they left Arsenal won trophies.......was the writing not on the wall........then when Adebayor and Nasri did exactly the same thing and won trophies after leaving Arsenal...............then when Fabregas and Song did exactly the same thing and won trophies after leaving Arsenal.......then Van Persie who again is likely to win trophies the year after leaving Arsenal........................................i mean how long does it take to get your act together and give top sportsmen every incentive to want to stay !..............Nobody could call Walcott anything for leaving Arsenal.....infact you would have to question his competetive spirit if he stayed !! Apart from Walcott none of the players you mentioned are English, let alone from North London so what loyalty should they have for Arsenal, I don't see Walcott staying because of all the reasons mentioned ( money, trophies, ambition) he's arsenals top player now, and to be honest he's hot and cold at best.. The young lads who've just signed ( wilshere, chamberlain etc) are potentially good players but Wenger is giving it the big one like he's signed massive players not lads just breaking into the first team who should be biting his hand off for a contract..... The young lads are right to learn their trade at arsenal under a top coach like Wenger, but unless there's a change in the policies they won't be there once they teach their potential..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,428 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Honestly if Wenger does not do everything in his power to keep Walcott and he ends up leaving I'll stop watching/supporting until he leaves or is sacked. Naturally talented striker that can create goals just as well as he can put em away..and everyone in the world can see it, yet Wenger buys players like Gervinho! Good game and a good result! If your thinking of packing in if Walcott leaves what were you like when RVP left! Walcott is a good player but one thing he is not is a " naturally talented" centre forward!!!......he is not confident enough, not strong enough, overplays in the box and don't have a natural " sense" of where the goal is......other than that, he is the next Gabriel Batisttuta !!! Lol lol He is however a top class, dangerous RMF who will create your strikers a lot of chances ( when he fully develops the nack of laying it off just at the right time) I have a lot of respect for Arsenal and the way they want to play football but without silver it all counts for nothing.....in sport, medals and trophys count and the rest can get shoved up your arse I am afraid. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,557 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Now read my post again "I DIDN'T SAY WHAT YOU PUT IN INVERTED COMMERS" . . . Gnasher you are very clever with the wording you pick out off a post as you word it as if I've just come out and said "IF AN ARSENAL PLAYER WANTS TO WIN TROPHIES WE BETTER SELL THEM" a statement I NEVER SAID !!! . . . YOU SAID "WHAT IF HE SAYS HE WANTS TO LEAVE TO WIN TROPHIES". your Words , I then Responded and said "IF (repeat) IF . . HE MAKES THAT STATEMENT THERE'S NOT MUCH ARSENAL CAN DO BECUSE HE IS ANGLING FOR A MOVE AS HE HAS ALREADY MADE A DIFFERENT COMMENT , WHICH WILL TELL ME HE IS SAYING WHAT SUITS TO LEAVE . . SO IN THAT SCENARIO THE BEST ARSENAL CAN DO FOR ARSENAL IS SELL HIM ? OR (and I'm asking a questions to you here) WOULD YOU SAY IT'S BETTER FOR THE CLUB TO LET HIM GO FOR NOTHING IN A COUPLE OFF MONTHS OR TAKE SAY 15 MILLION ?? The beauty of communicating through the written word is its there for all to see and you cant later on deny you said it !!!!......................your EXACT WORDS were......" if he comes out with the i want to win a trophy statement then not much can be done but sell him next month and get what you can "...................i didnt say that you did...........just because i havent highlighted the other words you said before and after it doesnt mean you didnt say it !!!!...................how is me repeating word for word what you have said ME being clever with words ............................stone me Wenger really seems to of left his mark on you your even sounding like him ! Would i say its better for the club to let him go for nothing in a couple of months or take say 15 million ??..................that is what your asking ? i havent twisted anything ?..........................................................Id say a club motivated by sporting success would of nailed down a quality player long before letting it get to this stage..........but Arsenal being a club motivated by money will more than likely find the best time to cash in on their best assets......as they have done many times before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,557 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Apart from Walcott none of the players you mentioned are English, let alone from North London so what loyalty should they have for Arsenal, I don't see Walcott staying because of all the reasons mentioned ( money, trophies, ambition) he's arsenals top player now, and to be honest he's hot and cold at best.. The young lads who've just signed ( wilshere, chamberlain etc) are potentially good players but Wenger is giving it the big one like he's signed massive players not lads just breaking into the first team who should be biting his hand off for a contract..... The young lads are right to learn their trade at arsenal under a top coach like Wenger, but unless there's a change in the policies they won't be there once they teach their potential..... Jenkinson,Merteseker,Squilachi,Djourou,Santos,Coquelin,Arshavin,Denilson,Park,Bentner,Gervinho,Chamack.........................Theres an entire team from front to back of Wengers massive signings !.................These are some of the players brought in to entice the likes of Walcott,Wiltshire,Chamberlain to stay..........and they wonder why Van Persie and the others f****d off ! Edited December 31, 2012 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 4,007 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Now read my post again "I DIDN'T SAY WHAT YOU PUT IN INVERTED COMMERS" . . . Gnasher you are very clever with the wording you pick out off a post as you word it as if I've just come out and said "IF AN ARSENAL PLAYER WANTS TO WIN TROPHIES WE BETTER SELL THEM" a statement I NEVER SAID !!! . . . YOU SAID "WHAT IF HE SAYS HE WANTS TO LEAVE TO WIN TROPHIES". your Words , I then Responded and said "IF (repeat) IF . . HE MAKES THAT STATEMENT THERE'S NOT MUCH ARSENAL CAN DO BECUSE HE IS ANGLING FOR A MOVE AS HE HAS ALREADY MADE A DIFFERENT COMMENT , WHICH WILL TELL ME HE IS SAYING WHAT SUITS TO LEAVE . . SO IN THAT SCENARIO THE BEST ARSENAL CAN DO FOR ARSENAL IS SELL HIM ? OR (and I'm asking a questions to you here) WOULD YOU SAY IT'S BETTER FOR THE CLUB TO LET HIM GO FOR NOTHING IN A COUPLE OFF MONTHS OR TAKE SAY 15 MILLION ?? The beauty of communicating through the written word is its there for all to see and you cant later on deny you said it !!!!......................your EXACT WORDS were......" if he comes out with the i want to win a trophy statement then not much can be done but sell him next month and get what you can "...................i didnt say that you did...........just because i havent highlighted the other words you said before and after it doesnt mean you didnt say it !!!!...................how is me repeating word for word what you have said ME being clever with words ............................stone me Wenger really seems to of left his mark on you your even sounding like him ! Would i say its better for the club to let him go for nothing in a couple of months or take say 15 million ??..................that is what your asking ? i havent twisted anything ?..........................................................Id say a club motivated by sporting success would of nailed down a quality player long before letting it get to this stage..........but Arsenal being a club motivated by money will more than likely find the best time to cash in on their best assets......as they have done many times before. Hurray My EXACT WORDS .... As You say it's there for all to see so NOW your Quoting my Exact wording "if he comes out with I want to win a Trophy statement then not much can be done but sell him next month and get what you can" Which is referring to him wanting to go and if that's the case then YES LET HIM GO . . . Is a bit more Clearer to what I was saying than your version THAT I HADN'T SAID "IF OUR PLAYERS WANT TO WIN TROPHYS THEN WE BETTER SELL THEM". . . And that is Clear as day YOU SAID THAT IN INVERTED COMMAS AND PUT MY NAME TOO IT WHICH WAS WRONG ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,557 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 You have actually turned into a cyber version of Arsene Wenger !!.... Keeping in mind the last 6 or 7 big players Arsenal got rid of was because they wanted to win trophies.......................do you honestly think the few small words i repeated that were not precisely the same as the ones you used really change much !!!!...............you are still saying the same thing no matter what grammar you use.............IF ARSENAL PLAYERS WANT TO WIN TROPHIES THE CLUB BETTER SELL THEM The words match the situation do they not ?........................im merely pointing out what a horrible thing it is for Arsenal followers to have to admit.................. Stone me.......whats coming next......." we showed great resilience and strength of character " .......or........" we are building for the future " :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 4,007 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) You have actually turned into a cyber version of Arsene Wenger !!.... Keeping in mind the last 6 or 7 big players Arsenal got rid of was because they wanted to win trophies.......................do you honestly think the few small words i repeated that were not precisely the same as the ones you used really change much !!!!...............you are still saying the same thing no matter what grammar you use.............IF ARSENAL PLAYERS WANT TO WIN TROPHIES THE CLUB BETTER SELL THEM The words match the situation do they not ?........................im merely pointing out what a horrible thing it is for Arsenal followers to have to admit.................. Stone me.......whats coming next......." we showed great resilience and strength of character " .......or........" we are building for the future " :laugh: Gnash you are always telling people when there wrong to man up , but it seems you can't admit your wrong your STILL Sayin I basically said what you Quoted I said well I never said it like that PRECISELY but it's ok for you to change them and state a comment I never made Lol . . Well you used words that where not mine BUT YOURS and you put them to MY NAME . . . Your coming across like a Politician , if you'd off used what I said fair enough BUT YOU DIDN'T YOU USED WORDS TO SUIT YOUR ARGUMENT BETTER ! You even tried to Belittle me by saying I was Denying what YOU Wrongly wrote . . The beauty off communication ect ect so not only where you Putting False Statements down but then accusing me off denying FACTS . . , You ever work for the Police Gnash cause that reminds me off there M.O. From the 70s & 80s lol. Edited January 1, 2013 by lanesra Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j j m 6,616 Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Simple if they want to win trophies and say so there sold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,557 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Gnash you are always telling people when there wrong to man up , but it seems you can't admit your wrong your STILL Sayin I basically said what you Quoted I said well I never said it like that PRECISELY but it's ok for you to change them and state a comment I never made Lol . . Well you used words that where not mine BUT YOURS and you put them to MY NAME . . . Your coming across like a Politician , if you'd off used what I said fair enough BUT YOU DIDN'T YOU USED WORDS TO SUIT YOUR ARGUMENT BETTER ! You even tried to Belittle me by saying I was Denying what YOU Wrongly wrote . . The beauty off communication ect ect so not only where you Putting False Statements down but then accusing me off denying FACTS . . , You ever work for the Police Gnash cause that reminds me off there M.O. From the 70s & 80s lol. Jesus Christ !!!!............Lanesra the words you used mean exactly the same as the words i used.......and you know they do !.......If this is all a desperate attempt to win an argument then having swapped many thoughts with you privately i like you and wouldnt want to fall out so i,ll back down and say no more as i wouldnt intentionally offend anyone i respect. I didnt have you down as the type to do the character assasination type things that some of these dry lunch/stalker types do........but hey we live and learn i guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,735 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 It's football banter that can get lost in translation on the Internet lads, sat around in the pub having the Craic and there would be no argument, you both come across as decent blokes on here with interesting view points, it's a funny thing this cyber chatting lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 4,007 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Gnash you are always telling people when there wrong to man up , but it seems you can't admit your wrong your STILL Sayin I basically said what you Quoted I said well I never said it like that PRECISELY but it's ok for you to change them and state a comment I never made Lol . . Well you used words that where not mine BUT YOURS and you put them to MY NAME . . . Your coming across like a Politician , if you'd off used what I said fair enough BUT YOU DIDN'T YOU USED WORDS TO SUIT YOUR ARGUMENT BETTER ! You even tried to Belittle me by saying I was Denying what YOU Wrongly wrote . . The beauty off communication ect ect so not only where you Putting False Statements down but then accusing me off denying FACTS . . , You ever work for the Police Gnash cause that reminds me off there M.O. From the 70s & 80s lol. Jesus Christ !!!!............Lanesra the words you used mean exactly the same as the words i used.......and you know they do !.......If this is all a desperate attempt to win an argument then having swapped many thoughts with you privately i like you and wouldnt want to fall out so i,ll back down and say no more as i wouldnt intentionally offend anyone i respect. I didnt have you down as the type to do the character assasination type things that some of these dry lunch/stalker types do........but hey we live and learn i guess. Im not attempting to win an Argument and I Certanily havet Character Assasinate you THAT I WOULDN'T DO OR WANT TO DO BELIEVE ME MATE ,We have had a Disagreement that's all it is . . Enjoy my conversations with you and hope to do in the Future . . I like and respect you Gnash but Stalking You . . . Jesus I've seen your Photo I ain't that DESPERATE Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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