BREEDING THE ULTIMATE LURCHER

[keepitcovert 842]

Having read some of the old poaching books of the victorian era.And being old enough to have been in contact to the old school poachers between the 1920 to 1950s era and listen to their exploits. Did the dogs of that era have any specialised breeding. A dog that has always fascinated me is the legendery smithfield collie , no doubt that a dog of its ilk existed, but where did it originate, so if you were to try to breed a lurcher of ultimate status, where would you start, what qualitys would you expect from your breeding stock, and most importantly are you a good enough owner to bring on such a dog. I doubt whether i would have the patience or ability to bring a dog to the standard expected of a victorian poachers dog where life or death could depend on owning such a dog, no welfare state in those days YIS KIC

[Guest thebigdog]

beddy whippet

[broonball 38]

those were 24/7 dogs tho were'nt they. im almost certain that if we worked the same ways as those days then the training would be ingrained as much as trained. i know that im at work all day/week plus with other commitments means that the dog gets a good amount of time but not all of it so training is down to the few hours a day i have for her. in days of old the dog would be everywhere with you, with no cars on the roads it could walk beside you wherever you went. times change, people change and so therefore does everything. i love the idea of one of the dogs of old but as far as training it to the standards we imagine?? i dont think there is the time nowadays. cheers

[leegreen 2,102]

those were 24/7 dogs tho were'nt they. im almost certain that if we worked the same ways as those days then the training would be ingrained as much as trained. i know that im at work all day/week plus with other commitments means that the dog gets a good amount of time but not all of it so training is down to the few hours a day i have for her. in days of old the dog would be everywhere with you, with no cars on the roads it could walk beside you wherever you went. times change, people change and so therefore does everything. i love the idea of one of the dogs of old but as far as training it to the standards we imagine?? i dont think there is the time nowadays. cheers

 

Not being disrespectful, but speak for yourself. Not everyone is in your boat, my dogs are trained as good as any are and have been.

[The Cooper 25]

no point sitting looking at each other going get a feckn hancock

[broonball 38]

those were 24/7 dogs tho were'nt they. im almost certain that if we worked the same ways as those days then the training would be ingrained as much as trained. i know that im at work all day/week plus with other commitments means that the dog gets a good amount of time but not all of it so training is down to the few hours a day i have for her. in days of old the dog would be everywhere with you, with no cars on the roads it could walk beside you wherever you went. times change, people change and so therefore does everything. i love the idea of one of the dogs of old but as far as training it to the standards we imagine?? i dont think there is the time nowadays. cheers

 

Not being disrespectful, but speak for yourself. Not everyone is in your boat, my dogs are trained as good as any are and have been.

 

thats fair enough mate

 

my other thought had been about collies, with there trainability..... yes they can be trained to do exceptional things but... the majority are'nt as owners do not have the time to do extraordinary training... sit, stay, jump through hoop etc all easy to train. im not saying it would be impossible, but for the average bloke who works, has family etc where does the time come from? in what way are yours trained if they are as good as any dog ever trained? cheers

 

do you have a job which includes your dogs? keeper,pest controller, farmer? i would expect these dogs to be a better standard

Edited December 15, 2012 by broonball

[leegreen 2,102]

those were 24/7 dogs tho were'nt they. im almost certain that if we worked the same ways as those days then the training would be ingrained as much as trained. i know that im at work all day/week plus with other commitments means that the dog gets a good amount of time but not all of it so training is down to the few hours a day i have for her. in days of old the dog would be everywhere with you, with no cars on the roads it could walk beside you wherever you went. times change, people change and so therefore does everything. i love the idea of one of the dogs of old but as far as training it to the standards we imagine?? i dont think there is the time nowadays. cheers

 

Not being disrespectful, but speak for yourself. Not everyone is in your boat, my dogs are trained as good as any are and have been.

 

thats fair enough mate

 

my other thought had been about collies, with there trainability..... yes they can be trained to do exceptional things but... the majority are'nt as owners do not have the time to do extraordinary training... sit, stay, jump through hoop etc all easy to train. im not saying it would be impossible, but for the average bloke who works, has family etc where does the time come from? in what way are yours trained if they are as good as any dog ever trained? cheers

 

I'll tell you one thing my dogs don't do hoops, they don't give you their paw in fact they only know what they need to.

 

Oh, tell a lie, both my running dogs will jump into my arms .

[broonball 38]

thats a handy trait , i can see where that might come in useful lol

[The Cooper 25]

sit stay down walking to heel blind sit and retrieving and lots of field craft is great to see i couldnt train a dog to them standards point an shoot does me even when i had collie x

[Bosun11 537]

Lee, I think Broon's right though, up to a point for most and I also know there are many that train to a very high standard and long may that remain but the modern Lurcher's game has come a long way since the first half of the last century.

If I am gonna breed my ultimate lurcher I know one thing for sure, it wouldn't come direct out of a greyhound...

[bigdaz 688]

those were 24/7 dogs tho were'nt they. im almost certain that if we worked the same ways as those days then the training would be ingrained as much as trained. i know that im at work all day/week plus with other commitments means that the dog gets a good amount of time but not all of it so training is down to the few hours a day i have for her. in days of old the dog would be everywhere with you, with no cars on the roads it could walk beside you wherever you went. times change, people change and so therefore does everything. i love the idea of one of the dogs of old but as far as training it to the standards we imagine?? i dont think there is the time nowadays. cheers

 

I know where your coming from, you can train a dog, lurcher/terrier/gundog and yes you can have a handy animal, but the dog that's put back in the kennel to allow us to do other things will never be the equal of a dog that genuinely lives with you by your side.

Even guys on here with decent dogs who have other commitments could look back at their younger less demanding days and remember when the bond seemed just that bit more natural and stronger.

I'd hazard a guess at less failures and fewer dogs changing hands/for sale as well in the past.

[The Cooper 25]

those were 24/7 dogs tho were'nt they. im almost certain that if we worked the same ways as those days then the training would be ingrained as much as trained. i know that im at work all day/week plus with other commitments means that the dog gets a good amount of time but not all of it so training is down to the few hours a day i have for her. in days of old the dog would be everywhere with you, with no cars on the roads it could walk beside you wherever you went. times change, people change and so therefore does everything. i love the idea of one of the dogs of old but as far as training it to the standards we imagine?? i dont think there is the time nowadays. cheers

 

I know where your coming from, you can train a dog, lurcher/terrier/gundog and yes you can have a handy animal, but the dog that's put back in the kennel to allow us to do other things will never be the equal of a dog that genuinely lives with you by your side.

Even guys on here with decent dogs who have other commitments could look back at their younger less demanding days and remember when the bond seemed just that bit more natural and stronger.

I'd hazard a guess at less failures and fewer dogs changing hands/for sale as well in the past.

your spot on me and my brother i buy the stock he buys f**k all gets my hand me down second pick if its a litter ..his dogs are with him 24/7 mine get a quick feed an walk during the week and he always has the better dog and the worst bit is he likes letting know about it Edited December 15, 2012 by The Cooper

[broonball 38]

its common sense that a pack animal wants to be with its pack, the bond is always going to be stronger with time spent together and understanding back and forth between man and dog is greater. my pup would rather come out in the car and sit and wait there than be left in the house. some of the people in days of old were poachers, doing little else but making there money and livelihood through there skills and dogs when there was a steady market for the meat and game they could supply, nowadays that just isnt an option, however much we wish it was. cheers

[The Cooper 25]

broonball i dont think theres such a think in this day. but if its just for edible game my starting point would be a well worked first x collie greyhound where i would go from there up or down terrier or deerhound or even saluki im not sure

[rocky070707 30]

l hav a collie x will do all; day all night do not need to have a lead on him ; but l have put a lot of work in to this dog ; 4 to 5 hours a day ; now it paid off atb