Fox dogs pre-ban

[STUNTMAN 552]

Guys in the days when you could hunt fox with sight hounds, did your dogs take a throat hold generally or was it any where.? I've been studying allot of pics and it seems that many of the fox that were taken were by throat hold.

[moonlighter 1,165]

Throat holds were offen what finished the fox. If they kept hold of the ribs they would finish the night pretty peppered round the nose! My old dog would hit it hard from behind to bowl it over, then dive in to grab the throat.

[mr scent 665]

fox dogs will grab them the nearest part they can get a hold of.they usually take the throat then.JMO

[fat man 4,741]

My DHXGH used to grab them mid back and just shake f**k out of them,it was over pretty quick.

[paulus 26]

mine shouted hoy and waited for them to look back

[STUNTMAN 552]

Here in the States I was running 55-65lb collie blooded dogs and they generally grabbed rib cage and shook. But the same dogs would throat a raccoon as they were tougher than foxes and weighed quite a bit more with are average Red around 10lbs. with Coons going from 15-30lbs and they were way more shock resistant than a fox.

[skycat 6,174]

The only shakers I've had were the Airedale blooded dogs, but they preferred a throat hold and then shook hard. Most of my lurchers ,mostly around 25", 50lbs ish would grab hold anywhere, sometimes even the brush if the fox was about to dive into cover, then let go and grab the throat as the fox spun round. Seldom had a dog that regularly took fox without taking a nip or two in the process. But for the most, they were 'throttlers' rather than shakers.

[Ausnick 190]

two of my dogs will grab them anywhere at all to pull em up then go throat and shake like all hell. then one of my others will grab, seems to push em into then ground and move to the middle of the body and do big swooping shakes, surprisingly he gets bitten less than the throat grabbers.

[stormrider8 59]

Many a fox has got away from a dog that picks his strike, you can't beat a dog that grabs anywhere and sorts the rest out after in my opinion.

[bird 10,014]

Many a fox has got away from a dog that picks his strike, you can't beat a dog that grabs anywhere and sorts the rest out after in my opinion.

 

true, had a 1/4 bull 3/4 grey was just like that. Once he grabbed it , it was going nowhere . He would grab and lock on, manytime old charlie was clamped on his muzzle, or on his leg , but it never stopped him, took bit of stick really, but thats how he was , he never changed had him 4 years. He hit concrete post i night lamping smashed his shoulder, never run proper again.!! But rather have 1 like him ,than 1 not 100% comited

[suffolkpoacher 219]

Mine used to hit them anywhere but takes stick in the process as they just spin and lock on he. Used to kill them but sometimes took longer than if he took a throat hold

[Guest Moscow]

Stuntman a lot of people think they had fox dogs but the truth is they had dogs that would take the odd fox. The difference being some dogs wont hit a fox knowing there gona get bit they will run the fox trying to pick a strike so they dont get bit which allows quite a few to make there escape, where as a dog willing to hit a fox or grab it from any hold knowing its gona get bit then doing that again on the next fox and so on deserves the title fox dog. Dogs that take a chest hold and shake violently are just as effective on fox if not more IMO. There is also a massive difference from taking fox early season= full grown cubs etc and taking fox january= big dog foxs in breeding mode full of testosterone that just dont want to die.

Edited November 26, 2012 by Moscow

[bird 10,014]

Stuntman a lot of people think they had fox dogs but the truth is they had dogs that would take the odd fox. The difference being some dogs wont hit a fox knowing there gona get bit they will run the fox trying to pick a strike so they dont get bit which allows quite a few to make there escape, where as a dog willing to hit a fox or grab it from any hold knowing its gona get bit then doing that again on the next fox and so on deserves the title fox dog. Dogs that take a chest hold and shake violently are just as effective on fox if not more IMO. There is also a massive difference from taking fox early season= full grown cubs etc and taking fox january= big dog foxs in breeding mode full of testosterone that just dont want to die.

 

 

true , few dogs take the odd fox now+then, but differnt ball game taking foxes 3-4 nights every week, you soon find out if you got a fox dog. had big colliex grey Blaze he took few, but the 1/4 bull 3/4 grey i had Bruce prob had more with him, but never really just gone out looking for old charlie pre ban, great if you bumped into them ,but the amount you see lamp shy can be( long )old night .!

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

the better foxers Ive seen certainly didnt pick and choose where to grab charlie, be it the tip of the tail or the head. But a few certainly switch to a throat hold when they can, not all. Its nice to see a dog that does it for sure, and Over America way where coyote feature on the list I certainly see the reasons for liking a throat dog. Once throated, a fox is as good as dead. But a powerful dog dont need to do this with a fox, as its dead already.

[STUNTMAN 552]

I kinda thought so and based on the replies which were all good confirmed it. In america I never got to course fox 3-4 times a week it was always the odd one. Majority of fox were taking with hounds pushing them into sets and then the terrier work. With coyotes a sight hound figures out real fast to put his ivory, even the big strong ones that fight crazy with no style dont last long if hunted often.

Edited November 26, 2012 by STUNTMAN