paulus 26 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 its just been on the local news a man is making fuel from air AFS is pioneering the manufacture of liquid fuel made using carbon dioxide from air and hydrogen from water.heres abit of info about the company : http://www.airfuelsynthesis.com/about-us.html im very surprised the big oil giants havent burried this man and his company by now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robbo 874 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 or paid him millions to forget about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Interesting but I would think that the science to do this has been about for a while, just took a bunch of engineers to actually do it. But there has to be a catch, at this stage I would hazard a guess that it's bloody expensive and not cost effective compared to conventional means of producing hydrocarbon based fuels. Their selling point being carbon neutral. See what the future holds for them..... might be common place in 50 years.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Interesting but I would think that the science to do this has been about for a while, just took a bunch of engineers to actually do it. But there has to be a catch, at this stage I would hazard a guess that it's bloody expensive and not cost effective compared to conventional means of producing hydrocarbon based fuels. Their selling point being carbon neutral. See what the future holds for them..... might be common place in 50 years.... lotus seem to be interested in it, there now trying to raise £5 million for the next stage of development. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 It's a great technology and could really take off.................but, as with fuel cells or hydrogen gas it still comes down to the same old problem; "where do we get the energy from to do this on a world wide scale?". Once we develop a real alternative to hydrocarbon fueled power stations these technologies can take off........... Untill then they are limited by how much renewable energy we can produce. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Whether its viable will depend on whether or not its cost effective to produce, ie: will the final product take more energy to produce than you can get from using it.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Whether its viable will depend on whether or not its cost effective to produce, ie: will the final product take more energy to produce than you can get from using it.. 100% yes, I would bet my life on it, because otherwise they have found the holy grail of physics and broken thermodynamics! If they have produced something that's output energy is greater than it's input, they have created a perpetual motion machine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Whether its viable will depend on whether or not its cost effective to produce, ie: will the final product take more energy to produce than you can get from using it.. 100% yes, I would bet my life on it, because otherwise they have found the holy grail of physics and broken thermodynamics! If they have produced something that's output energy is greater than it's input, they have created a perpetual motion machine! I just read "Blah, blah, blah" there.............. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Whether its viable will depend on whether or not its cost effective to produce, ie: will the final product take more energy to produce than you can get from using it.. 100% yes, I would bet my life on it, because otherwise they have found the holy grail of physics and broken thermodynamics! If they have produced something that's output energy is greater than it's input, they have created a perpetual motion machine! I just read "Blah, blah, blah" there.............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,536 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) Whether its viable will depend on whether or not its cost effective to produce, ie: will the final product take more energy to produce than you can get from using it.. 100% yes, I would bet my life on it, because otherwise they have found the holy grail of physics and broken thermodynamics! If they have produced something that's output energy is greater than it's input, they have created a perpetual motion machine! I just read "Blah, blah, blah" there.............. I agree with Born Hunter actually .......................................................................definately broken thermal dynamics i agree ...........................................................................yes definately agree Edited November 20, 2012 by gnasher16 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Whether its viable will depend on whether or not its cost effective to produce, ie: will the final product take more energy to produce than you can get from using it.. 100% yes, I would bet my life on it, because otherwise they have found the holy grail of physics and broken thermodynamics! If they have produced something that's output energy is greater than it's input, they have created a perpetual motion machine! I was reading the other day that they're almost there with fusion, planning to have a reactor outputting electricity to a grid sometime in the 2030's.. I just read "Blah, blah, blah" there.............. Don't know why you're even on this thread mate, it hasn't got anything to do with X Factor or Big Brother.. Feck off somewhere else and let the adults talk about something sensible for a bit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdaz 688 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Only thermal dynamics Ive had experience of is getting them off when your desperate for a shit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Malt, funny you should say that. I was literally just having this conversation with a colleague and he was telling me the same. It's a French project I believe. That right there is the future! One day every city will have a doughnut shaped mini star powering it, I really do believe that. As for the rest of you mocking b*****ds.................... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 For you malt my take on ThermoDynamics...............Thermodynamics is the branch of natural science concerned with heat and its relation to other forms of energy and work. It defines macroscopicvariables (such as temperature, internal energy, entropy, and pressure) that describe average properties of material bodies and radiation, and explains how they are related and by what laws they change with time. Thermodynamics does not describe the microscopic constituents of matter, and its laws can be derived from statistical mechanics. :censored:I certainly did not use google you cheeky c**t!!!!...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Malt, funny you should say that. I was literally just having this conversation with a colleague and he was telling me the same. It's a French project I believe. That right there is the future! One day every city will have a doughnut shaped mini star powering it, I really do believe that. As for the rest of you mocking b*****ds.................... It's based in France but its an international venture. They're working on this now, it's forecast to output 10 times the energy it takes to run: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER Then if that all works out they're aiming for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEMO I'd like to be around to see it work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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