does use of stud dog really matter?

[gamerooster 1,179]

As many of you know, I have never had anything else bar Saluki x's, but having got rid of my old dog, as I could not take him to my new job, I have been dog-less for a few months now.

 

Anyway, whilst thinking about the different crosses I would like to try, I stumbled upon Kelpie's and there crosses, what some would call super-charged collie x's, but downsides being that they can be a little head strong, and are not a beginners dog.

 

So recently I have been looking on the internet at Kelpie's in this country, and having looked a a few that different people owned, the raciest one's by far where not the ones being worked on sheep, but the dogs used in agility!!! So this brings me to my question of....... Does it really matter what the stud dog is being used for, as Kelpie's from what I can gather are a recently new breed in this country, so you would of thought that the traits people look for to breed working dogs, would still be strong in dog's that are not used for there original purpose, yet out of dogs that did work.

My thoughts on breeding to a racier dog is because as we all know, a lot of first x litters have what we call litter wastage, so by breeding to a racier dog, hopefully this would not be as high, or as severe.

 

All views welcome, let's see what people think

Cheers,

 

GR

[alimac 882]

A lad I lived near used to take his kelpie lamping, it was rapid with a decent turn on it, but did hunt up badly when the lamp was switched off, one bonus was it was shit scared of sheep, lol

[darbo 4,779]

the dogs temperament would be high on the wish list for me.

[gamerooster 1,179]

the dogs temperament would be high on the wish list for me.

 

Totally agree, but the likes of stamina, good feet, etc, Do you think this would be affected by using a dog used for agility and not the usual work of Sheep and Cattle?

[Acuspell 329]

Agility is just the "townies" version of working to stock. It is only an arena method of stretching the dogs brain - if they can apply their brain to learn the agility ropes, they will happily take to work in the fields. It is the same instinct, just channelled differently - both require strong pack relationship. The dog is working for the pack leader, in the arena that is the handler, but the brain process is the same.

[Phil Lloyd 10,740]

Edited October 20, 2013 by Phil Lloyd

[gamerooster 1,179]

Kelpie x's?

[TOMO 29,747]

Chalkie herding types have never really floated my boat although i do appreciate their strengths and what they were bred for.

If i were to have a Lurcher twixt herding type x greyhound mixture i think i would plum for the Beardie X.

For no other reason than i remember a guy off Moochers maybe 5 years or more using them , his name i cannot remember.

They looked the part and did the job intended.

 

What cross do you prefere, why and what would suit the beginner ?

 

Beardie,, feck me max..... Surly after seeing those fabulous looking borders on chains and working wills farm ,, I know feck all about working sheepdogs ,, but apart from looking the part, being , agile, lean mother feckers ,,, they do the job for him as well

[TOMO 29,747]

Here's a pic of mine game rooster,, 1/4 kelpie, 3/4 whipp,grey

 

Edited October 23, 2012 by TOMO

[gamerooster 1,179]

Do you reccomend the cross TOMO? cracking looking animal BTW

[TOMO 29,747]

Do you reccomend the cross TOMO? cracking looking animal BTW

 

No.

[gamerooster 1,179]

Do you reccomend the cross TOMO? cracking looking animal BTW

 

No.

 

why??? pro's and con's please

[Stabs 3]

Here's a pic of mine game rooster,, 1/4 kelpie, 3/4 whipp,grey

 

 

Looking well TOMO

[TOMO 29,747]

Do you reccomend the cross TOMO? cracking looking animal BTW

 

No.

 

why??? pro's and con's please

 

Im being a little sarcastic to be honest,, but rember one thing my experience with the cross is based solely on that one dog,,so in all honesty it's not a good over all view of the cross. There's men here who can give better in depth knowlage.

 

Mine had some bad points,,, it was a c**t for fighting, not with my other dogs,,, but with terriers a small type things,, which had me paying out vet fees from time to time,,, I also don't realy think unless your good with collie types there for you ,, or first time lurcher owners.. Mine had countless energy, and seemed to be like a coiled spring on speed..lol

 

However I have killed a fecking ton of rabbits with it, and also raced a few daytime that she has retrieved, but lamping a ferreting were her fortay,,, she weren't bad with the nose either,,, I got a good few vids of her hunting up and catching rabbits from cover. She would also retrieve at night whilst roost shooting.

 

All in all a great versatile, agile typ of animal... Just not for the everyone

[TOMO 29,747]

Here's a short clip from last season,,, just befor she takes the rabbit out the seat,,, she is round a different clump of sedge,, in fact I thought there's going to be one in there,,, but she turns round lifts her paw and looks to have an air scent,, then moves a few yards and pegs one to her left