Royal Marines

[gamerooster 1,179]

my mate passes out on the 2nd of november, its a f*****g joke, its like jailing a doctor for saving a life, when my mate asked what profession he was in when he started, the corporal said 'to kill', its what there for, this country is a f*****g joke!!!

what profession are you in gamerooster ?

 

I sometimes ask myself the same question, but does it really matter?

[Catcher 1 639]

But there are clear guidelines on how to treat prisoner of war, the enemy...etc etc. they've clearly crossed these guidlines. But......????????

. How do you know

Because they were arrested and charged. The RMP wouldn't just do it on pure speculation or guesswork. Yes the RMP's are tossers, but usually very good at their job.

 

 

The RMP Had nothing to do with it.Civilian charge.

[scothunter 12,609]

Oh the military police will be involved in some capacity.

[FLATTOP 5,201]

If it had been Special forces involved in this do you think we would have even heard about i think not' but then they would not have been that sloppy with the mobile footage.

[Catcher 1 639]

Oh the military police will be involved in some capacity.

Shut up you.Trying to wind the guy up.

[lanesra 4,007]

I'm not making excuses for them just looking for reasons why and as has been said they are mentally tuned into war , something that I have no understanding off , there mates killed and blown up ? Being constantly under pressure ? Scared beyond there wildest Nightmares ? Who knows what's behind this , you can see physical damage but psychological damage is hidden and the people that sent these lads to this war should take a good look in the mirror , 1 thing that is for sure Those B4starda that cut Ken Bigleys head off weren't court marshalled by there own now I'm not saying that's how troops should behave but they obviously seen incidents like that and pls don't tell me that wouldn't affect even the Straightest human being !

[derbylad1 293]

ha ha ha ha .......rmp having nothing to do with this....get real. Who do you think found the material on the lap top, who did the arrest. who is the escorts and where do you think they'll end up?

 

i reckon the RMP will have something to do with it.

[scothunter 12,609]

I remember the sas had to go to court once lol behind screens , what a joke. Not saying anyone should be above the law, but when you crack out the sas. Folk are going to die.

[nod 285]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

[gonetoearth 5,144]

it happened before with the treatment of prisoners in iraq, They were convicted by their own photographic evidence. having said that war is war end of, that wounded insurgent could well have been holding the detonator to an ied or anything else for that matter. the objective is to make the area secure, not go through a 200 page check manual to ensure the rules are adhered to.

yeh and a certain twat printed photograghs of a ta wagon with falcefied photos. Are forces are under stress of the likes we will never know or understand when they make a mistake they put them selves or one of their own lives in jepody , while we decide what were having for tea there deciding what to step on next !!!!!!!!!!

nobody forced them to go there they sign up for a job and thats there job atb

. Yeh its their job and their job entails dodging bullets and bombs that will take off legs arms in some cases both Just a job eh. Easy to sit in a warm room on a monday night passing comments About its there job when their job is staying alive. With people in their own country down crying them

[nothernlite 18,260]

it happened before with the treatment of prisoners in iraq, They were convicted by their own photographic evidence. having said that war is war end of, that wounded insurgent could well have been holding the detonator to an ied or anything else for that matter. the objective is to make the area secure, not go through a 200 page check manual to ensure the rules are adhered to.

yeh and a certain twat printed photograghs of a ta wagon with falcefied photos. Are forces are under stress of the likes we will never know or understand when they make a mistake they put them selves or one of their own lives in jepody , while we decide what were having for tea there deciding what to step on next !!!!!!!!!!

nobody forced them to go there they sign up for a job and thats there job atb

. Yeh its their job and their job entails dodging bullets and bombs that will take off legs arms in some cases both Just a job eh. Easy to sit in a warm room on a monday night passing comments About its there job when their job is staying alive. With people in their own country down crying them

shouldnt be there in the first place and not down crying them ffs but they no what there getting them selfs into got family that were in the army for a lot of years and they picked there career and they no its dodging bullets and bomds and the best of luck to them

[Whizzie 38]

Our service personnel are the finest fighting force in the world. They are recognised as such because of the highest levels of professionalism under the most difficult & demanding circumstances, and they deliver, every time, consistently. Whatever has happened on this occasion, it suggests there has been an unacceptable event, in which the individuals involved acted outside of their professional discipline. The facts need to be determined fully. Period.

 

The article in the newspaper clipping herein, is very limited in its scope of factual information. No conclusions can be made on this alone. The insurgents in this theatre of operation are classified as armed terrorists & enemy combatants, but they are not classed as enemy 'soldiers'. It's also important to note they do not recognise or accept the Geneva Convention. However, we are not afforded such luxury, and nor should we be. We have signed up to it, and we are bound by it.

 

We all know the Taliban would carry out horrific torture & mutilation of any coalition servicemen. However, we should not & must not lower ourselves to their level. If we are to be courageous in battle, we must also be equally magnanimous in victory. These are elite personnel. Their normal operating procedures would have been to secure the individual & immediately check him for weapons & intelligence rich material. They would have known he was unarmed, because they are pro's, they checked. As professionals, they should have then stabilised his condition & had him extracted for further treatment & then questioning / interrogation to further the intelligence effort in fighting the conflict professionally. That's the right thing to do. Because that's the professional thing to do.

 

Additionally, troops on the ground are also briefed that the Taliban force locals to fight, often against their will, under threat of death for them and their families. So imagine the scenario. Your a local farmer. The Taliban commander in the vicinity has rigged your compound with enough IED's to send it to the moon. He's told you, that if you leave, you die, if you don't fight, you die, and if there is any question of his authority - you die! So does your wife. So do your kids. As a local, you want shut of the Taliban, they are horrifically oppressive, but you cannot deal with them without professional assistance. Your living a nightmare. They have ears everywhere, they have informants watching, listening and constantly reporting. When you aren't watching for allied patrols, you're on your stomach, digging IED's in. So when the allied patrol approaches, you go into the crop fields and wait for the instruction to fire. When it comes, you fire 'in the general direction' of the approaching patrol. Because you don't even know how to use your weapon professionally & you understand you actually need the patrol! You just get told to lead the patrol towards the IED's, which will be more effective against them. So you do what you have to, but as reticently as possible.

The professional marines, with supporting fire from a fire support group & air support, quickly respond to the threat, identify targets & move towards a tactical advantage over the next 5 - 10hrs of the fire fight. During this time, it's hot, your exhausted, you get hit. The marines come through your position and find you. You plead your a farmer forced to fight. They seize your weapon, check your body for additional weapons, intelligence rich material & then....????? What happened then?????

 

The long & short of it, is this is a hearts & minds campaign. Unless you win the hearts and the minds of a people, you will never drive out an enemy. Certainly not one as fanatical & insidious as the Taliban. Something's happened here. Has this individual who lost his life, died from gunshot wounds after he was secured wounded??? " If " ... & i say if, the personnel concerned have acted illegally, then they have done nothing for their colleagues or their cause.

 

I agree with the language & ethos of the poster. We should support the marines involved; with a thorough & full investigation, and if necessary, an appropriate court marshal. Not a full & free acquittal, if there is a case to answer. There has to be rule of law. Even under the greatest duress.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Our service personnel are the finest fighting force in the world. They are recognised as such because of the highest levels of professionalism under the most difficult & demanding circumstances, and they deliver, every time, consistently. Whatever has happened on this occasion, it suggests there has been an unacceptable event, in which the individuals involved acted outside of their professional discipline. The facts need to be determined fully. Period.

 

The article in the newspaper clipping herein, is very limited in its scope of factual information. No conclusions can be made on this alone. The insurgents in this theatre of operation are classified as armed terrorists & enemy combatants, but they are not classed as enemy 'soldiers'. It's also important to note they do not recognise or accept the Geneva Convention. However, we are not afforded such luxury, and nor should we be. We have signed up to it, and we are bound by it.

 

We all know the Taliban would carry out horrific torture & mutilation of any coalition servicemen. However, we should not & must not lower ourselves to their level. If we are to be courageous in battle, we must also be equally magnanimous in victory. These are elite personnel. Their normal operating procedures would have been to secure the individual & immediately check him for weapons & intelligence rich material. They would have known he was unarmed, because they are pro's, they checked. As professionals, they should have then stabilised his condition & had him extracted for further treatment & then questioning / interrogation to further the intelligence effort in fighting the conflict professionally. That's the right thing to do. Because that's the professional thing to do.

 

Additionally, troops on the ground are also briefed that the Taliban force locals to fight, often against their will, under threat of death for them and their families. So imagine the scenario. Your a local farmer. The Taliban commander in the vicinity has rigged your compound with enough IED's to send it to the moon. He's told you, that if you leave, you die, if you don't fight, you die, and if there is any question of his authority - you die! So does your wife. So do your kids. As a local, you want shut of the Taliban, they are horrifically oppressive, but you cannot deal with them without professional assistance. Your living a nightmare. They have ears everywhere, they have informants watching, listening and constantly reporting. When you aren't watching for allied patrols, you're on your stomach, digging IED's in. So when the allied patrol approaches, you go into the crop fields and wait for the instruction to fire. When it comes, you fire 'in the general direction' of the approaching patrol. Because you don't even know how to use your weapon professionally & you understand you actually need the patrol! You just get told to lead the patrol towards the IED's, which will be more effective against them. So you do what you have to, but as reticently as possible.

The professional marines, with supporting fire from a fire support group & air support, quickly respond to the threat, identify targets & move towards a tactical advantage over the next 5 - 10hrs of the fire fight. During this time, it's hot, your exhausted, you get hit. The marines come through your position and find you. You plead your a farmer forced to fight. They seize your weapon, check your body for additional weapons, intelligence rich material & then....????? What happened then?????

 

The long & short of it, is this is a hearts & minds campaign. Unless you win the hearts and the minds of a people, you will never drive out an enemy. Certainly not one as fanatical & insidious as the Taliban. Something's happened here. Has this individual who lost his life, died from gunshot wounds after he was secured wounded??? " If " ... & i say if, the personnel concerned have acted illegally, then they have done nothing for their colleagues or their cause.

 

I agree with the language & ethos of the poster. We should support the marines involved; with a thorough & full investigation, and if necessary, an appropriate court marshal. Not a full & free acquittal, if there is a case to answer. There has to be rule of law. Even under the greatest duress.

. Well written and very thought provoking !

[scothunter 12,609]

The problem is, they are so desperate to get boots on the ground over there. They are taking lads these days, who lets just say woukdnt be considered years ago. Of course your going to get the odd soldier who thinks nothing of putting one in the back of someone's ear.

Media and online social sites are to blame IMO .

Lol there would have been a few thousand in ww11 who's Demise wouldn't be classed as an honourable death lol but back in those days people didn't think they ought to judge a soldier from the comfort of thier own homes. The very homes those lads were defending, it's war shit happens. And unless they are killing babies and eating them then its not for me to judge.

[nothernlite 18,260]

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