gonetoearth 5,144 Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 no bud your use of the terminolgy differs from mine thats life i and many other understand the meaning of world class casius clay , a differant class Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SeanMcD 92 Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 What about lewis? Absolutely.........whether you class him as Brit or Canadian dont make much difference we ( Britain ) have still had more success at heavyweight than any other country in the world outside America. Might not be the greatest names of the division but they won a title and thats more than any other country so to say we,re not blessed is plain wrong. Lewis Fitzimmons Bruno Haye Hide Akinwande All won a world title at heavyweight.....think the next best is probably a country like Italy who had Carnera,Damiani,someone else i forget who....... Thats without the big British names like Cooper,Bugner,Tommy Farr,Billy Wells and plenty of others who fought at the highest level. what weight was john conteh ...an Dennis Andreas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,599 Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 What about lewis? Absolutely.........whether you class him as Brit or Canadian dont make much difference we ( Britain ) have still had more success at heavyweight than any other country in the world outside America. Might not be the greatest names of the division but they won a title and thats more than any other country so to say we,re not blessed is plain wrong. Lewis Fitzimmons Bruno Haye Hide Akinwande All won a world title at heavyweight.....think the next best is probably a country like Italy who had Carnera,Damiani,someone else i forget who....... Thats without the big British names like Cooper,Bugner,Tommy Farr,Billy Wells and plenty of others who fought at the highest level. what weight was john conteh ...an Dennis Andreas light heavy 12st 7 lb in the ring , but prob 13-14st out of it my old fighting weight lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SeanMcD 92 Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 What about lewis? Absolutely.........whether you class him as Brit or Canadian dont make much difference we ( Britain ) have still had more success at heavyweight than any other country in the world outside America. Might not be the greatest names of the division but they won a title and thats more than any other country so to say we,re not blessed is plain wrong. Lewis Fitzimmons Bruno Haye Hide Akinwande All won a world title at heavyweight.....think the next best is probably a country like Italy who had Carnera,Damiani,someone else i forget who....... Thats without the big British names like Cooper,Bugner,Tommy Farr,Billy Wells and plenty of others who fought at the highest level. what weight was john conteh ...an Dennis Andreas light heavy 12st 7 lb in the ring , but prob 13-14st out of it my old fighting weight lol thought gnasher was slipping a bit i think dennis might of moved up later on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 John conteh. Under rated in my opinion but then he let him self down in many ways I suppose Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 I'm pretty sure he was between Light weight up to Light Middle. He was one of Nobby Nobbs' reliable journeymen, he had over 150 bouts. He fought a load of lads from the 90's through to around 2004 - 2005. Ricky Hatton, Matty Hatton, Bobby Vanzie, Johnathon Thaxton, Colin Lynes, Michael Jennings, Derrick Roche, Steve Murray and a shit load of other decent level fighters over the years he was active. Another couple of Journeyman mates of mine are Steve Brumant and David Hinds, you couldn't meet nicer people . Edited to say they're all from Birmingham. Thats right,i knew the name from somewhere......I was with Steve Murray in the early part of his career i think that must of been his 5th or 6th pro fight.....if i remember right Coleman was the first fighter to take Steve the distance......nothing wrong with journeyman fighters its an honest living. That's right, he'd jump into a ring anywhere against anyone, he knew what was expected of him and done his job well. He said PJ Gallagher was the best he fought, he said Hatton wasn't a banger at all but hit him with so many punches to body and head that he didn't know where the next punch was going to land. Good lad he is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 no bud your use of the terminolgy differs from mine thats life i and many other understand the meaning of world class casius clay , a differant class World class IMO means you are have sufficient skills to compete against the top 10 of your division. People like Casius Clay weren't just world class they were GREATS so using them to compare what a world class fighter should be is unfair IMO. You can only be measured along those who're fighting in your time, to judge whether you're world class. Haye and Chisora are both bonafide world class fighters. Haye has already been champion so for someone to say that he isn't world class is a bit ridiculous IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 no bud your use of the terminolgy differs from mine thats life i and many other understand the meaning of world class casius clay , a differant class World class IMO means you are have sufficient skills to compete against the top 10 of your division. People like Casius Clay weren't just world class they were GREATS so using them to compare what a world class fighter should be is unfair IMO. You can only be measured along those who're fighting in your time, to judge whether you're world class. Haye and Chisora are both bonafide world class fighters. Haye has already been champion so for someone to say that he isn't world class is a bit ridiculous IMO. ive ever said haye is not said he is small for the divsion , as for the terminoligy world class over used in my opion , hey but what do i know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 look out for this name in the future --- seth mitchell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,741 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 no bud your use of the terminolgy differs from mine thats life i and many other understand the meaning of world class casius clay , a differant class .....so theres another class now..." different "...........................lifes too short mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 no bud your use of the terminolgy differs from mine thats life i and many other understand the meaning of world class casius clay , a differant class .....so theres another class now..." different "...........................lifes too short mate can you 2 kiss and make up ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,741 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 no bud your use of the terminolgy differs from mine thats life i and many other understand the meaning of world class casius clay , a differant class World class IMO means you are have sufficient skills to compete against the top 10 of your division. People like Casius Clay weren't just world class they were GREATS so using them to compare what a world class fighter should be is unfair IMO. You can only be measured along those who're fighting in your time, to judge whether you're world class. Haye and Chisora are both bonafide world class fighters. Haye has already been champion so for someone to say that he isn't world class is a bit ridiculous IMO. Bang on.....explained much better than my divvy brain could explain it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 no bud your use of the terminolgy differs from mine thats life i and many other understand the meaning of world class casius clay , a differant class .....so theres another class now..." different "...........................lifes too short mate can you 2 kiss and make up ... hey stig its good to talk about a good subject opinions are just that opinions , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,741 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 thought gnasher was slipping a bit i think dennis might of moved up later on Dennis did go up to cruiserweight late on in his career....he was one of the funniest characters i ever met,also one of the gamest !.....He came over to England from Guyana as a kid we actually grew up less than a mile from each other without ever meeting till we was in our 20,s he never knew for sure how old he was he used to say he knew he wasnt any more than 3 years out He was a good man Dennis what he lacked in skills he certainly made up for with sheer strength and will to win after he got battered by Tommy Hearns he asked Manny Steward to train him.....Manny respected the guts he had shown against Hearns and Dennis joined the Kronk Gym which if i remember right was when he moved up to cruiserweight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 no bud your use of the terminolgy differs from mine thats life i and many other understand the meaning of world class casius clay , a differant class .....so theres another class now..." different "...........................lifes too short mate but he was gnash he was in a class of his own , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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