Ireland Ballywalter Game and Country Living Fair yesterday Saturday 5th

[borntorace 0]

i think ur the only one thats seein a bit of sense flash 3241! nothin is ever said [bANNED TEXT] a dog cant run but when a dog comes along that is beatin everything around it it automatically becomes a lurcher if its beatin whippets or a greyhound if its beatin lurchers.. it will always be the same. this should be for fun, not competitiveness and arguing!

[flash3241 32]

I cudnt give a shit if its a donkey running as long as my dog runs well for me on the day an as for kirsty harpers dog sox it does race an is showin at the whippet club an if they had a problem with it it wouldn't be classed as a whippet it does look on the large side but that's my opinion I no nothing about whippets I don't keep them

[dannyboi 10]

Just to set the record straight it is not billy harpur who owns the dog that won the whippet racing...its me.nothing whatsoever to do with him.and what's this to do with martin tucker?where did it ever come out of that he had dogs from martin tucker?if the whole show was talking about sox why didn't someone come to me and say they had an issue about him running.I would have had no problem if they had of.sox is no non ped.I had issues in the past with sox regards his height and length and went to a few people regarding that but they reassured me there was nothing wrong with him and was definately a whippet.he has won whippet pup champions several times and the racing last week.I also had a man (dave) I think looking at him and he says thers no doubt he's a whippet.I will be honest and admit that I had issues with his height and length but I was assured by several people that he was a whippet.so if anyone has issues address them to me and not billy harpur.

[Guest Aardvark]

not butting my nose in but it looks like a whippet grew to me

[littlefish 549]

Why is there so much crying about whippet racing at terrier and lurcher shows? Surely people with whippets can race them fairly at the Sporting Whippet Club, which is exclusively for whippets or else they should just race in the appropriate height categories at terrier and lurcher shows.

 

Anyway. I never made it to the show at the weekend - looks like they were lucky with the weather!

[AlbertJ 569]

Just to set the record straight it is not billy harpur who owns the dog that won the whippet racing...its me.nothing whatsoever to do with him.and what's this to do with martin tucker?where did it ever come out of that he had dogs from martin tucker?if the whole show was talking about sox why didn't someone come to me and say they had an issue about him running.I would have had no problem if they had of.sox is no non ped.I had issues in the past with sox regards his height and length and went to a few people regarding that but they reassured me there was nothing wrong with him and was definately a whippet.he has won whippet pup champions several times and the racing last week.I also had a man (dave) I think looking at him and he says thers no doubt he's a whippet.I will be honest and admit that I had issues with his height and length but I was assured by several people that he was a whippet.so if anyone has issues address them to me and not billy harpur.

 

Kirsty,

 

Well done for coming forward on this. As you know I made many of the points you make about Sox directly to you. Might help if you confirm his breeding and who bred him.

 

Albert

[AlbertJ 569]

Why is there so much crying about whippet racing at terrier and lurcher shows? Surely people with whippets can race them fairly at the Sporting Whippet Club, which is exclusively for whippets or else they should just race in the appropriate height categories at terrier and lurcher shows.

 

Anyway. I never made it to the show at the weekend - looks like they were lucky with the weather!

 

We were very lucky with the weather - with the worst swerving round us. But we had heavy weather on Friday and worked hard, as we always do to keep the ground good. My motto is to plan for bad weather & hope for good!

[winner69 25]

winner 69, u say Billy got 2 whippets from martin tucker and got rid of one? i personally know the breeding of his whippet and it is not one purchased from martin tucker, if ur that sure ask tucker urself. just because the whippet won the racing everyone is claiming hes a cheat? and who is "talking about this dog being a greyhound cross whippet and no-one had the courage to comfort him"? as far as i know the only people getting their knickers in a twist over this whole thing are the ones that are being beat. there was nothin said when the whippet wasnt winning races!

Martin tucker? he is probalbe on here as born-to-tell-lies he is filling the country with badly made bred minuter greyhounds.from what i hear just ask john humpries, any one that refuses a dna test to there dog after there cover is blown shouldnt be allowed to race,i hav heard it all these is only my 2nd year going to the shows,iv kept lurcher and terriers all for the last 18 years the kids are mad looking a whippet for the racing but what the point when people like that billy harper are deleberatly cheating.the people that are getting there nickers in a twist are the people that no the truth about ur dog kristy.stop cheating or do a dna test

[dannyboi 10]

I've never bought any dogs off martin tucker.nor do I have any associations with him.as I have already said he was bought as a whippet and I have also admitted that I had my own concerns about the height and length of him which a lot of people know I was the first to admit that.I was assured numerous times that he was a whippet and have had several people in the whippet world look at him and said they had no problem with him whatsoever.if anyone did why would they let him show and race at dunsilly and put him up in classes.like I've said I had my own issues about him and waas told that they come in all shapes and sizes. when he was got he was bought as a whippet and whippet folk have looked at him and had no problem with him

[Martin Tucker 23]

thank you Kirsty putting for putting the record straight ! people should be careful what they say regarding whose breeding what and flooding the country with mini-greyhounds !!!

 

i`ve never even bred a litter of whippets/lurchers or whatever ! I don`t waste my time or efforts with these micky mouse events !

 

I will be at Shanes Castle with Winnie (Martin Kennys, Murt x Marwood Type) and Ginger Jack (Ningbo Jack x John Carrolls, Ginger), everyone knows them, seen them run, saw and know the parents and have no problem with them !

 

Winnie will be bred to Ernie at the end of the year and that was the reason i bought her, after i saw her win a stake in Enniscorthy last October ! She cost a right few €`s !!!

 

I never made a secret about Ernies breeding (R.Ch Vivs Quest x Sup R.Ch Show Three) it was always other people that had a problem !

 

Regarding DNA for China. I know it was taken by a vet and sent to Weatherbys in the UK for registering. Her father was already registered. However, the people who claimed to have her dam in the UK, refused to get her DNA taken, so that was the end of that !

 

This is my last post regarding anything discussed on here, so don`t expect any comments regarding the above !! Think and say what you like !

Edited May 7, 2012 by Martin Tucker

[SeanMcD 92]

winner 69, u say Billy got 2 whippets from martin tucker and got rid of one? i personally know the breeding of his whippet and it is not one purchased from martin tucker, if ur that sure ask tucker urself. just because the whippet won the racing everyone is claiming hes a cheat? and who is "talking about this dog being a greyhound cross whippet and no-one had the courage to comfort him"? as far as i know the only people getting their knickers in a twist over this whole thing are the ones that are being beat. there was nothin said when the whippet wasnt winning races!

Martin tucker? he is probalbe on here as born-to-tell-lies he is filling the country with badly made bred minuter greyhounds.from what i hear just ask john humpries, any one that refuses a dna test to there dog after there cover is blown shouldnt be allowed to race,i hav heard it all these is only my 2nd year going to the shows,iv kept lurcher and terriers all for the last 18 years the kids are mad looking a whippet for the racing but what the point when people like that billy harper are deleberatly cheating.the people that are getting there nickers in a twist are the people that no the truth about ur dog kristy.stop cheating or do a dna test

did i meet you last week...... i was working

[mally 832]

Running non-ped whippets and greyhounds at these events is just a joke, what are you achieving??? why not run the dogs at the non-ped meetings or flapping tracks?? i tell you all why, the dogs wouldn't stand a chance. If i ever ran a racing event i would ask to see the pedigree of all the whippets that entered the ped whippet racing, no pedigree then they don't run. You'll always get folk wanting or trying to cheat. But at the end of the day there only cheating themselves.

 

I've seen dogs running at maltby non ped racing club on a saturday and then running in the lurcher racing at a gamefair on a sunday!!!. It's about time it was sorted out, afterall 90% of the racing at gamefairs is advertised as lurcher racing not non ped whippet/greyhound racing.

 

It's the folk who turn up with the true lurchers i feel sorry for...

[AlbertJ 569]

Running non-ped whippets and greyhounds at these events is just a joke, what are you achieving??? why not run the dogs at the non-ped meetings or flapping tracks?? i tell you all why, the dogs wouldn't stand a chance. If i ever ran a racing event i would ask to see the pedigree of all the whippets that entered the ped whippet racing, no pedigree then they don't run. You'll always get folk wanting or trying to cheat. But at the end of the day there only cheating themselves.

 

I've seen dogs running at maltby non ped racing club on a saturday and then running in the lurcher racing at a gamefair on a sunday!!!. It's about time it was sorted out, afterall 90% of the racing at gamefairs is advertised as lurcher racing not non ped whippet/greyhound racing.

 

It's the folk who turn up with the true lurchers i feel sorry for...

 

Mally,

 

We have tried to sort this problem out - at fairly great expense I may add - by introducing novice lurcher events to let ordinary guys run without having to meet 'elite' racing dogs. We have also tried KC registered and non ped split - that got criticism because people couldn't afford or be bothered to register their dogs. This time round we had 'Pure Bred' whippets and non ped /Under 21 classes. Still disputes. I really do wonder why I bother.

 

I was asked personally to look at three whippets to rule on whether they were 'pure bred'. It was easy on two - the other I thought marginal on size and shape and made that known to the owner.BUT it could have been just a poor quality show specimen. AND it has been accepted to be shown and raced at the Sporting Whippet Club who are more expert than me and have specialist KC whippet judges. I specialises in judging gundog breeds but have judged whippets in variety classes and for BIS against other breeds. Allegations about who it was bred by have been totally rebutted by the supposed breeder - the owner might add some clarity by saying who it was bought from and who actually did breed it.

 

Unless someone comes forward with ACTUAL information this is my last post on this matter. We had a successful Game Fair which continued on its upward curve since I rescued it three years ago when BASC cancelled their event here. THINK BACK LADS & LADIES TO THE DIFFERENT TREATMENT YOU HAVE HAD AT THIS FAIR SINCE WE TOOK IT OVER.

 

If anyone has a problem with this particular whippet please take it up with the Sporting Whippet Club - don't use this minor problem to attack our much larger Game Fair events. THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT GAME FAIRS of which terrier, whippets and lurchers are just a very small part. AND quite frankly if this sort of nonsense contunues I will stop putting any more investment into these events. I DON'T NEED TO PAY GOOD MONEY TO BE INSULTED.

 

We move forward to our event at SHANES CASTLE which is my 50th fair run over 34 years since I brought the Game Fair concept to Ireland. This is an important event for me and it coincides with the 25th Anniversay of the All Ireland Terrier & Lurcher Championships . With this championship and the Master Mc Grath race and the new Novice Championships, plus the central location we have given them WITHIN the fair, we have demonstrated a massive commitment to Terrier , whippets and lurchers since some people challenged me to bring them up to the level of other events. We get a lot of emails, calls and PMs of support but many people who appreciate what we have done are afraid to come out and face down a few internet 'trolls' who seem to want to bitch about everything and make sweeping criticisms of our whole event because they didn't win a prize. Now is the time for sensible people to come forward publicly. I would make a distinction between these ' trolls' and those who make constructive criticism. As many of you know I have had robust debates on certain issues but we have always tried to address sensible constructive complaints - these are welcome.

 

Because of the constant criticism on this forum my colleagues have suggested that we 'pull the plug' on terrier , lurcher and whippet events and put the money into a major international pedigree dog show and gundog event . AND to be frank I am beginning to think our money might be better spent in this area.

 

It really is up to the genuine terrier, whippet and lurcher folk to come forward to either support what we have done this year or lose it.

 

Albertj

[up the beam 65]

I've never bought any dogs off martin tucker.nor do I have any associations with him.as I have already said he was bought as a whippet and I have also admitted that I had my own concerns about the height and length of him which a lot of people know I was the first to admit that.I was assured numerous times that he was a whippet and have had several people in the whippet world look at him and said they had no problem with him whatsoever.if anyone did why would they let him show and race at dunsilly and put him up in classes.like I've said I had my own issues about him and waas told that they come in all shapes and sizes. when he was got he was bought as a whippet and whippet folk have looked at him and had no problem with him

[wippydoo 12]

well said Mally!

kirsty put your dogs breeding up as albert asked for to dispell the rumours.youve posted since he asked but ignored the question