Thinking of a trying a differant cross. Opinions please

[bullmastiff 615]

Been thinking of which cross to get next, I'm in no hurry so can hopefully invite a couple of that breeding to come and run my permission to ensure they'd suit me before commiting myself to another dog for 10-15yrs.

I know there's some knowledgable guys/gals on here that have tried a few different breeds so thought I'd put up the topic and see whats suggested.

 

I rarely get the chance to see other dogs work so have only seen a few dogs run and they have all been Bull crosses until recently (invited a guy with a saluki saturated dog down for a mooch about) so only have other peoples opinion of the differant crosses available (never the best I know)

 

I not only want the dog to lamp but also need them to work with an airrifle, shotgun and rifle.

 

I don't need a highly intelligent dog that can work on it's own but do need it to have some brains about it so it's adaptable and more importantly trainable to a fairly high standard.

 

I prefer a dog to be greyhound/saluki size rather than whippit but it still has to be able to pick up a rabbit on some fairly quick, open ground. Also as I've got them on my permission I'd like to have a go at shooting some Hares for the dog to retrieve.

 

It's got to have a half decent nose on it but nothing thats going to drag it about the field like a Spanial!

 

When I'm out with the rifle lads on the Phesant shoot, their main quarry is fox so if on the odd occasion a shot is not quite placed right, I need the dog to be able to track and deal with the quarry. These are usually fairly rare occasions so it would never see great numbers, maybe 1-2 a month)

 

I don't get many runs around here (maybe 10 a night on various game) so stamina really isn't an issue, the dog would have plenty of time to get their tongues back in before the next run.

 

Thats basically it, I've been looking through various crosses and have been thinking about a 1/4bullgreyx1/4colliegrey but they seem to throw so differant between various litters that it makes it hard to commit!

Would a 2nd gen bred dog even out the pups a bit?

 

Many thanks for reading and I look forward to your suggestions.

 

All the Best

 

Luke.

[Simoman 110]

A rare cross i have always fancied is a gsd/greyhound...............

[bullmastiff 615]

Would that be a first cross? I think Heart of Wales has that breeding? must admit It had never even crossed my mind, What attracts you to them?

[Simoman 110]

Im not taking about show bred rubbsh. I have kept, bred and worked imported shepherds, even trained one on the beam. They have a good constitution (not the hip problems), take knocks well, nose, stamina, good feet, coat, strong bite, tractable, intelligent, many are natural retreivers and they are loyal dogs. They also have a fair turn of speed.............

[bird 10,014]

Im not taking about show bred rubbsh. I have kept, bred and worked imported shepherds, even trained one on the beam. They have a good constitution (not the hip problems), take knocks well, nose, stamina, good feet, coat, strong bite, tractable, intelligent, many are natural retreivers and they are loyal dogs. They also have a fair turn of speed.............

i thought the same Si , if it came as you say from good stock ,you could get a good lurcher. This x was good on rabbit,deer,fox, that i read about in the 70s. Ive seen most xs over the years run+work , and had few differnt xs my self. So maybe 1/4 GSD x 3/4grey or 1x might worth a look at mate, but you dont see many about, i think couple lads got some on here, so you never know .!

[leegreen 2,254]

You don't want much then?

 

 

Only kidding, you can get this with many crosses shame your not a bit closer, I could show you what a well trained Bull/Hound could do.

[whin 463]

saw steve bartons alsaition crosses several times not bad dogs ,but dont no what they would be like on fast qaurry , but for general rabbiting fetching foxes pre ban would be handy a guy local to me had them game dog and could jump anything but lacked another gear , but nice dog

[whin 463]

i think you would get wastage with a first cross , i would say to te guy get lurche to lurcher of clever running dogs shop about wait till summer best pups are summer births usaly

[blacknight 111]

Irish terrier x greyhound, don't seem to be many of them about but hurd good things about this x,

[poacher3161 1,766]

A good lurcher to lurcher bred dog out of a sighthound bred lurcher to a working dog type lurcher.

[jarv5116 57]

first x irish terrier x grey

or

bull/airdale x greyhound

[Simoman 110]

saw steve bartons alsaition crosses several times not bad dogs ,but dont no what they would be like on fast qaurry , but for general rabbiting fetching foxes pre ban would be handy a guy local to me had them game dog and could jump anything but lacked another gear , but nice dog

 

I have chatted to Steve hes out in New Zealend now, still keeps and works this type of mix..................

[poacher3161 1,766]

Im not taking about show bred rubbsh. I have kept, bred and worked imported shepherds, even trained one on the beam. They have a good constitution (not the hip problems), take knocks well, nose, stamina, good feet, coat, strong bite, tractable, intelligent, many are natural retreivers and they are loyal dogs. They also have a fair turn of speed.............

i thought the same Si , if it came as you say from good stock ,you could get a good lurcher. This x was good on rabbit,deer,fox, that i read about in the 70s. Ive seen most xs over the years run+work , and had few differnt xs my self. So maybe 1/4 GSD x 3/4grey or 1x might worth a look at mate, but you dont see many about, i think couple lads got some on here, so you never know .!

Them GSD my old man had in the royal vetinary core [bANNED TEXT] stationed in the middle east in the 50s looking at the pics were a far cry from the gsd you see about today.

[bullmastiff 615]

You don't want much then?

Only kidding, you can get this with many crosses shame your not a bit closer, I could show you what a well trained Bull/Hound could do.

 

I've got a sort of Bullcross at the moment, Tess is basically 5/8th Bull, 3/8ths grey and I've entered her in Gundog field trial events, she doesn't win any prizes but then again she doesn't do too bad either. Also I use her to retrieve for the gun and as a peg dog on beaters day so she's pretty well trained. She has great drive but doesn't lose her head when behind certain quarry. If she had that extra gear then she'd be the perfect dog for me!. All the characteristics I need in a dog just not the legs for it.

 

Her father was a great running/lamping dog for me and took all quarry on the lamp and only one during the day he didn't have the lungs for but just wouldn't work with a gun, took training very slowly and would forget/ignore commands within a month if not constantly reinforced.

 

Whin, I'm not looking for a pup right now, just looking at differant crosses of dog so I can hopefully see some run before making my mind up.

[Simoman 110]

Im not taking about show bred rubbsh. I have kept, bred and worked imported shepherds, even trained one on the beam. They have a good constitution (not the hip problems), take knocks well, nose, stamina, good feet, coat, strong bite, tractable, intelligent, many are natural retreivers and they are loyal dogs. They also have a fair turn of speed.............

i thought the same Si , if it came as you say from good stock ,you could get a good lurcher. This x was good on rabbit,deer,fox, that i read about in the 70s. Ive seen most xs over the years run+work , and had few differnt xs my self. So maybe 1/4 GSD x 3/4grey or 1x might worth a look at mate, but you dont see many about, i think couple lads got some on here, so you never know .!

Them GSD my old man had in the royal vetinary core [bANNED TEXT] stationed in the middle east in the 50s looking at the pics were a far cry from the gsd you see about today.

 

Very much so, totally unlike the show bred crap, imported stuff looks more like the real GSD........