PoppyB 22 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Albert, I have to agree with what the others are saying, I strongly agree that a class for kc reg dogs has no place at a 'working' dog show. I think the better alternative for a questionable dog is to put it to the judges of lurcher and whippet showing classes. The number of working dogs at shows is in great decline and the introduction of kc classes will only put another nail in the coffin. To end on a positive, the concessions you have introduced offer good value for money Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Albert, I have to agree with what the others are saying, I strongly agree that a class for kc reg dogs has no place at a 'working' dog show. I think the better alternative for a questionable dog is to put it to the judges of lurcher and whippet showing classes. The number of working dogs at shows is in great decline and the introduction of kc classes will only put another nail in the coffin. To end on a positive, the concessions you have introduced offer good value for money Poppy, As I have explained this was one way suggested to resolve the 'what is a whippet' controversy and to try to ensure like was competing against like. as such it is not a 'KC class' as the KC have no involvement in this show. There are ways of dealing with this such as height and weight and we are happy to discuss this with whippet owners at Birr and afterwards. Albert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeview 792 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 why have whippets at all in a lurcher show? lurchers certainly would not be allowed at a KC show The Great Yorkshire Show held a prestigious working terrier show for many years run by Tony Kirby(ask Sheamus about it) now the KC got wind of kc registered dogs being shown there which is against their rules and took according action against the owners breaking the rules. The GYS still isnt run under kc rules So cut the whippets out kc or not, raise the lurcher and terrier prize money and get back to working dog shows how they used to be. That constructive enough for you Albert? Y.I.S Leeview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 why have whippets at all in a lurcher show? lurchers certainly would not be allowed at a KC show The Great Yorkshire Show held a prestigious working terrier show for many years run by Tony Kirby(ask Sheamus about it) now the KC got wind of kc registered dogs being shown there which is against their rules and took according action against the owners breaking the rules. The GYS still isnt run under kc rules So cut the whippets out kc or not, raise the lurcher and terrier prize money and get back to working dog shows how they used to be. That constructive enough for you Albert? Y.I.S Leeview Leeview, Thanks for your input. I think the whippet owners might have some opposing views! As you know we have upped the prize fund for terriers and lurchers - for the show and the racing and so long as the support , such as we had at Ballywalter & Shanes, continues to justify it so we will continue to look at new prize funds. As I said earlier the KC registration classification was simply a way of splitting the whippet racing classes for THIS show. It would appear that this is likely to change to probably height classification in future. Racing KC whippets is not against KC or IKC rules. Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hogie 103 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 i enjoy your shows but think they should be more about working dogs every year were seeing less proper working dogs and more and more dogs that are only bred to work a plastic bag up a track Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 i enjoy your shows but think they should be more about working dogs every year were seeing less proper working dogs and more and more dogs that are only bred to work a plastic bag up a track Hogie, Come forward with ideas and we will look at them. Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kegs 40 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 weight will be the way to go eventually,i was at shanes and spoke to quite a few whippet owners who were quite rightly very annoyed about the race organizers unwillingness to stop the lurcher racing on the day in the so called all ireland whippet final,lads a show is just that a show and no matter what any organizer does a judge has to pick a dog that is structurely sound and with sound limbs and movement,busted faces prove nothing as i along with most of you will have seen plenty of busted chins on rubbish dogs,having been to the roscrea show i know the same farce wont happen at birr and that just leaves a space for someone else new to take over the showing next time and the mid antrim moneygrabbers will be gone for good. albert you done a right enough job tryin to move forward,yourself and a few of the small shows are pushing the boundries abit and finally gettin new things goin at the shows Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 weight will be the way to go eventually,i was at shanes and spoke to quite a few whippet owners who were quite rightly very annoyed about the race organizers unwillingness to stop the lurcher racing on the day in the so called all ireland whippet final,lads a show is just that a show and no matter what any organizer does a judge has to pick a dog that is structurely sound and with sound limbs and movement,busted faces prove nothing as i along with most of you will have seen plenty of busted chins on rubbish dogs,having been to the roscrea show i know the same farce wont happen at birr and that just leaves a space for someone else new to take over the showing next time and the mid antrim moneygrabbers will be gone for good. albert you done a right enough job tryin to move forward,yourself and a few of the small shows are pushing the boundries abit and finally gettin new things goin at the shows Kegs, Thanks for your input. This is an evolving situation. I think we have made great strides over the last few years in introducing new competitions and improving prize structures and positive publicity for terrier, lurchers and whippets. Within our shows the terrier, lurcher and whippet competitions are now comparable with our gundogs and clay shooting in times of our focus and prize structure. A lot of this is down to constructive criticism and advice from very many people too numerous to mention. As I have said we still have away to go and we are receiving lots of very good suggestions which we will look at incorporating. However I think that many good innovations such as the All ireland Digging Championship are best left to well organised specialist shows such as the Mourne Show and in speaking to Tango I know he has many other good ideas that he hopes to implement. We hope our fairs can become complementary to these other events and we will help where we can to add qualifiers, prizes etc. But I hope you will all give the innovations at Birr this year and especially our new event organisers your full support and give us your suggestions for improving it afterwards. Regarding our judges for the show at Birr few should have any complaints as terrier, whippet and lurcher judges are all from Wales. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chid 6,790 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 i enjoy your shows but think they should be more about working dogs every year were seeing less proper working dogs and more and more dogs that are only bred to work a plastic bag up a track Hogie, Come forward with ideas and we will look at them. Albertj i gave you ideas on another site and all you say is you'll look into them.... your more interested in what makes you the money .... and thats the racing if you was that interested in the working lurcher you would have had events to show what a working lurcher can do and thats not just chase a plastic bag up a field can i also ask why the feck would any working lurcher man want to race there dog out of a trap??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 albert will you be letting owners of some dogs to wear blinkers on there dogs i seen it at another fair it was puppy race and it takes the fun out of it for other people running there pups hope not to see it at birr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littlefish 596 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 BLINKERS? What's this about then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 i seen it at ballinlough check the photos on the forum started by bluebell and see what you think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 i enjoy your shows but think they should be more about working dogs every year were seeing less proper working dogs and more and more dogs that are only bred to work a plastic bag up a track Hogie, Come forward with ideas and we will look at them. Albertj i gave you ideas on another site and all you say is you'll look into them.... your more interested in what makes you the money .... and thats the racing if you was that interested in the working lurcher you would have had events to show what a working lurcher can do and thats not just chase a plastic bag up a field can i also ask why the feck would any working lurcher man want to race there dog out of a trap??? Thanks for your suggestions and we have looked at a lot of ideas and discussed them. If you are happy to come forward and undertake to organise such events we are happy to talk to you. I would like to make it clear that we will not make any money out of the racing at Birr - the organising club takes this. In fact if you tot up the cost to us of the racing at Birr rather than making us money it costs us a substantial amount of money- especially as we are in effect through our advance purchase ticket offer .giving free admission on the Saturday to those who take advantage of our two days for the price of one advanced purchase offer. PLEASE NOTE THIS OFFER FINISHES ON MONDAY WEEK. The organising club want to put on a demonstration of racing from traps - they are not insisting on you or anyone else racing your dog from traps. Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 albert will you be letting owners of some dogs to wear blinkers on there dogs i seen it at another fair it was puppy race and it takes the fun out of it for other people running there pups hope not to see it at birr Danny, No plans to run them in blinkers! Albert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 BLINKERS? What's this about then? Defintely no blinkers at Birr for organisers or lurchers. We like to constantly move forward so we like to see where we going! Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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