blan89 159 Posted July 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) their possessions go to the one who arrested them,which is the incentive to catch criminals. Its also an incentive to stitch people up F*ck this,if the UK collapses into a lawless free-for-all like Somalia you can all go and claim asylum in the states or Australia or NZ true,but if found not guilty and then the person who made the arrest/accusation is open to be charged. ther are already such thing as bounty hunter who could in theory incite crimes in the same way. not to mention police who need to fill quotas. Edited July 2, 2011 by blan89 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ossie n Arch 1,683 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I think it will happen sooner or later,we've pretty much lost all sense of community and any way to defend ourselves so imo it would be chaos,criminals who have guns would have free reign completely un-opposed to rob/rape/murder whoever they want. and as technology develops there will be less chance of survival with easier accessibility to thermal imaging technology (you'll be the only big white blob in the woods if thats were you hide) I think sparsely populated places would be slightly better off,in rural in Scotland for example it wouldnt be worth traveling there using ammo etc just for a few tartan skirts and some shortbread. so maybe they could wait it out until the animals learn how to rule themselves again. Your not half way through the Lord of the Flies are you ?? Thought not........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 imo it would take an event like the government collapsing to wake people up,then everyone has the right to rule themselves as long as they stick to common law or a similar set of clearly defined laws,if they dont then they may be arrested by anyone tried (by an elected person) and executed if found guilty. their possessions go to the one who arrested them,which is the incentive to catch criminals. Who would define what the laws should be, if not some system of government? Maybe your system could work in a very small group, but lets not forget there are about 65 million people living in the UK. I can't very well see how you'd get them all sat down at a table to thrash out and agree on a set of laws! That's why we elect politicians in the first place. Shame the fuckers seem to forget that once they're got their feet over the threshold in the houses of parliament.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Blan mate, does your vision of self rule in the UK look a little something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted July 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 imo it would take an event like the government collapsing to wake people up,then everyone has the right to rule themselves as long as they stick to common law or a similar set of clearly defined laws,if they dont then they may be arrested by anyone tried (by an elected person) and executed if found guilty. their possessions go to the one who arrested them,which is the incentive to catch criminals. Who would define what the laws should be, if not some system of government? Maybe your system could work in a very small group, but lets not forget there are about 65 million people living in the UK. I can't very well see how you'd get them all sat down at a table to thrash out and agree on a set of laws! That's why we elect politicians in the first place. Shame the fuckers seem to forget that once they're got their feet over the threshold in the houses of parliament.. what about laws that already exist like common law are mutually agreed upon by the majority in small communities and the word/philosophy spreads to other areas that way. maybe it wouldnt be possible to implement in cities that way,but for towns and villages it should shouldnt it? and if we started from scratch,those towns would would become the cities. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted July 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Blan mate, does your vision of self rule in the UK look a little something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0 that'd do me mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 imo it would take an event like the government collapsing to wake people up,then everyone has the right to rule themselves as long as they stick to common law or a similar set of clearly defined laws,if they dont then they may be arrested by anyone tried (by an elected person) and executed if found guilty. their possessions go to the one who arrested them,which is the incentive to catch criminals. Who would define what the laws should be, if not some system of government? Maybe your system could work in a very small group, but lets not forget there are about 65 million people living in the UK. I can't very well see how you'd get them all sat down at a table to thrash out and agree on a set of laws! That's why we elect politicians in the first place. Shame the fuckers seem to forget that once they're got their feet over the threshold in the houses of parliament.. what about laws that already exist like common law are mutually agreed upon by the majority in small communities and the word/philosophy spreads to other areas that way. maybe it wouldnt be possible to implement in cities that way,but for towns and villages it should shouldnt it? and if we started from scratch,those towns would would become the cities. Sooner or later groups would form with the intent on gaining power over more and more of the population. What you're describing was pretty much the way we lived for a very long time in the iron age. Even then there was individual leaders within the small communities. I can't see how we'd ever go back to anything like that, unless there was a massive global event that wiped out about 90% of humanity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted July 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 imo it would take an event like the government collapsing to wake people up,then everyone has the right to rule themselves as long as they stick to common law or a similar set of clearly defined laws,if they dont then they may be arrested by anyone tried (by an elected person) and executed if found guilty. their possessions go to the one who arrested them,which is the incentive to catch criminals. Who would define what the laws should be, if not some system of government? Maybe your system could work in a very small group, but lets not forget there are about 65 million people living in the UK. I can't very well see how you'd get them all sat down at a table to thrash out and agree on a set of laws! That's why we elect politicians in the first place. Shame the fuckers seem to forget that once they're got their feet over the threshold in the houses of parliament.. what about laws that already exist like common law are mutually agreed upon by the majority in small communities and the word/philosophy spreads to other areas that way. maybe it wouldnt be possible to implement in cities that way,but for towns and villages it should shouldnt it? and if we started from scratch,those towns would would become the cities. Sooner or later groups would form with the intent on gaining power over more and more of the population. What you're describing was pretty much the way we lived for a very long time in the iron age. Even then there was individual leaders within the small communities. I can't see how we'd ever go back to anything like that, unless there was a massive global event that wiped out about 90% of humanity. without a military industry subbed by the tax payer creating more effective weapons,and every man,woman and child being armed as well as switched on to the fact that people will come and try to take our freedom/wealth would these groups be effective though? i do agree that it would take a cataclysmic event to start it off,and a lot of good luck and good people to maintain it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scalesntails 118 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) What normally happens in countries where the government collapses is the military step in and take control of the country. They then either try to keep enough structure in the country to hold new elections and form a new elected government or take control of the country and run it as a military dictatorship. If the Americans decide to come and step in and try and force their own opinions on everyone you end up with a country like Somalia. An interesting fact about Somalia is that it is kept that way on purpose. The seas off its coast are used to dump all the developed worlds toxic waste. The Somali pirates are ex fisherman that formed armed groups in an attempt to stop commercial ships dumping waste in their fishing waters. They turned to piracy when all the chemicals dumped killed off all the fish and their livelyhoods. Edited July 2, 2011 by scalesntails Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 What normally happens in countries where the government collapses is the military step in and take control of the country. They then either try to keep enough structure in the country to hold new elections and form a new elected government or take control of the country and run it as a military dictatorship. If the Americans decide to come and step in and try and force their own opinions on everyone you end up with a country like Somalia. An interesting fact about Somalia is that it is kept that way on purpose. The seas off its coast are used to dump all the developed worlds toxic waste. The Somali pirates are ex fisherman that formed armed groups in an attempt to stop commercial ships dumping waste in their fishing waters. They turned to piracy when all the chemicals dumped killed off all the fish and their livelyhoods. There's some interesting views on this thread, but I didn't know that about the Somali pirates or the dumping of toxic waste. If that's true then that is a very interesting fact. Where did you read that mate? I'd be interested to read more about that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 without a military industry subbed by the tax payer creating more effective weapons,and every man,woman and child being armed as well as switched on to the fact that people will come and try to take our freedom/wealth would these groups be effective though? i do agree that it would take a cataclysmic event to start it off,and a lot of good luck and good people to maintain it. You don't need effective weapons to kill a human being pal, people were using sharpened bits of metal for thousands of years, and bits of broken flint & wood before that. Humans will always behave like humans IMO, no matter what technology they've got in their hands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted July 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 without a military industry subbed by the tax payer creating more effective weapons,and every man,woman and child being armed as well as switched on to the fact that people will come and try to take our freedom/wealth would these groups be effective though? i do agree that it would take a cataclysmic event to start it off,and a lot of good luck and good people to maintain it. You don't need effective weapons to kill a human being pal, people were using sharpened bits of metal for thousands of years, and bits of broken flint & wood before that. Humans will always behave like humans IMO, no matter what technology they've got in their hands. my point was that if a small group of people try to oppress a much larger militant group they'll need better weaponry and tactics to even have a chance of winning,without a military industry investing hundreds of millions in being at the forefront of weapon technology that imo wouldnt happen,there would be improvements in weaponry but they would be slow and available to anyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Belgium has not had a functional government for 18 months. They seem to be coping ok. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bogger 243 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 blan you realy do chat shit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted July 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) blan you realy do chat shit when have you ever heard me speak? your a test tube baby btw just thought you should know Edited July 2, 2011 by blan89 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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