poor we bugger rip wee man "BUT"

[scothunter 12,609]

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/highlands-islands/260193-six-year-old-fire-victim-a-wonderful-wee-boy/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why would a parent jump and leaving the kid in the house.i would be last out the window.they say the wee lad was to scared to jump.anyway thats something the poor mother will have to live with.

[Born Hunter 17,960]

RIP

 

Survival instinct I guess. Nature often sacrifices young if the parent cannot save them. Just because we are 'intelligent' beings doesnt mean we still dont obey those same instincts when put in life and death situations. Non of us can say 100% what we would do in such circumstances untill we were in them. I would have thrown the kid, but then perhaps she tried and wasnt strong enough?

[scothunter 12,609]

RIP

 

Survival instinct I guess. Nature often sacrifices young if the parent cannot save them. Just because we are 'intelligent' beings doesnt mean we still dont obey those same instincts when put in life and death situations. Non of us can say 100% what we would do in such circumstances untill we were in them. I would have thrown the kid, but then perhaps she tried and wasnt strong enough?

 

 

yea mate your prob right,guess you would need to be in a position such as this.Im the same id have thrown them both out first.

[Moll. 1,793]

It said the boy was found in the kitchen, the mother and daughter were upstairs, so would have been unable to get to him, the mother threw the daughter out to save her.

Sounds like perhaps the wee boy may have accidentally caused the fire, just surmising of course, an explosion usually means gas and he was in the kitchen. Horrible for the whole family, praying the boy did not suffer.

[Ideation 8,217]

I wouldn't totally follow that 'survival instinct' thing, whilst in nature it may occur, it isn't that common with mamals such as us that have low numbers of offspring and take a long time to rear them (and have long gestation periods). Most of the cases where you can say that young were abandoned by parents (in nature) is due either to starvation / feeding factors or general weakness on the part of the mother etc. For every case of this, there are probably far, far, more cases of a mother animal exposing herself to great danger and fighting tooth and claw etc in order to preserve their young.

[judge2010 196]

I wouldn't totally follow that 'survival instinct' thing, whilst in nature it may occur, it isn't that common with mamals such as us that have low numbers of offspring and take a long time to rear them (and have long gestation periods). Most of the cases where you can say that young were abandoned by parents (in nature) is due either to starvation / feeding factors or general weakness on the part of the mother etc. For every case of this, there are probably far, far, more cases of a mother animal exposing herself to great danger and fighting tooth and claw etc in order to preserve their young.

have to agree with this no way i could live a little child behind like that it would haunt me for the rest of my life.

[Born Hunter 17,960]

I wouldn't totally follow that 'survival instinct' thing, whilst in nature it may occur, it isn't that common with mamals such as us that have low numbers of offspring and take a long time to rear them (and have long gestation periods). Most of the cases where you can say that young were abandoned by parents (in nature) is due either to starvation / feeding factors or general weakness on the part of the mother etc. For every case of this, there are probably far, far, more cases of a mother animal exposing herself to great danger and fighting tooth and claw etc in order to preserve their young.

 

Your probably right. Obviously depends on the circumstances. Like I said, I dont think any of us really know what we would do when faced with near certain death. Instincts take over. What those instincts dictate we do is perhaps another discussion for another day. I was just trying to rationalise/justify the mothers actions so she didnt seem as some careless/selfish person. Taking on mollys points and having read it again it sounds as though she wasnt even in the same room as her son, so short of running through a blazing house to her death she could do nothing. Bloody tragic whatever the circumstances.

[scothunter 12,609]

It said the boy was found in the kitchen, the mother and daughter were upstairs, so would have been unable to get to him, the mother threw the daughter out to save her.

Sounds like perhaps the wee boy may have accidentally caused the fire, just surmising of course, an explosion usually means gas and he was in the kitchen. Horrible for the whole family, praying the boy did not suffer.

 

 

that kinda makes sense actually.it was just on the news today,it said the wee lad was to scared to jump.sad thing anyway no matter the tragic circumstances.dont envy the fire fighters job in a situation like this.

[Moll. 1,793]

I used to train people with regard to challenging behaviours.

There are several responses people may follow in a dangerous situation.

They were...

 

Fight

Fright

Flounder.

 

When faced with a dangerous situation we will all display either one or a multiple of the above.

Those of you who would walk through fire to save someone will have the fight 'gene' it does not mean you are a fighter but faced with a dangerous situation will rationalise, confront and cope.

Those who have fright, will be too frightened to deal with the situation and will withdraw/run.

Those with Flounder will hesitate and not know what to do.

 

You with therefore find the type of people working with challenging behaviours, in the fire brigade, prisons etc etc etc will have the fight response.

 

There is nothing you can do to change your instinct it is sorta 'born into you', whatever you are/do does not make you a good or bad person a hero or a coward.

[WILF 51,128]

Fight

Fright

Flounder.

 

 

I think "Focus" is missing from that list personally, many people will be able to instantly focus on what needs doing in high pressuer situations....JMHO

 

Anyway, by the by........another very sad story, its why I dont buy newspapers any longer.

[Moll. 1,793]

Fight

Fright

Flounder.

 

 

I think "Focus" is missing from that list personally, many people will be able to instantly focus on what needs doing in high pressuer situations....JMHO

 

Anyway, by the by........another very sad story, its why I dont buy newspapers any longer.

 

That is part of the fight response Wilf

[Moll. 1,793]

 

another very sad story, its why I dont buy newspapers any longer.

 

Ditto, if it were not for the general sections on forums i would never know what was going on in the real world.

[WILF 51,128]

MOLL

[Kay 3,709]

I used to train people with regard to challenging behaviours.

There are several responses people may follow in a dangerous situation.

They were...

 

Fight

Fright

Flounder.

 

When faced with a dangerous situation we will all display either one or a multiple of the above.

Those of you who would walk through fire to save someone will have the fight 'gene' it does not mean you are a fighter but faced with a dangerous situation will rationalise, confront and cope.

Those who have fright, will be too frightened to deal with the situation and will withdraw/run.

Those with Flounder will hesitate and not know what to do.

 

You with therefore find the type of people working with challenging behaviours, in the fire brigade, prisons etc etc etc will have the fight response.

 

There is nothing you can do to change your instinct it is sorta 'born into you', whatever you are/do does not make you a good or bad person a hero or a coward.

 

Thats pretty much like it was explained to me when i spoke to a friend who saw a pile up on the motorway as he was on his way home on leave from the army involving a fmaily , he & a nurse where the only 2 people who went to assist , everyone else just got out of there cars & looked, i was pretty amazed that no ones eles helped , he said it was '' fight or flight '' .

 

I dont know in all honesty what i would do in that kind of situation

[Born Hunter 17,960]

I used to train people with regard to challenging behaviours.

There are several responses people may follow in a dangerous situation.

They were...

 

Fight

Fright

Flounder.

 

When faced with a dangerous situation we will all display either one or a multiple of the above.

Those of you who would walk through fire to save someone will have the fight 'gene' it does not mean you are a fighter but faced with a dangerous situation will rationalise, confront and cope.

Those who have fright, will be too frightened to deal with the situation and will withdraw/run.

Those with Flounder will hesitate and not know what to do.

 

You with therefore find the type of people working with challenging behaviours, in the fire brigade, prisons etc etc etc will have the fight response.

 

There is nothing you can do to change your instinct it is sorta 'born into you', whatever you are/do does not make you a good or bad person a hero or a coward.

 

Good post moll,

 

I agree but I think it gets more complex than that. For instance a fighter will try to fight their way through the situation as it is just their nature, but surely they have an 'override' where they will walk away if the odds against them are just too great? Or will they as ideation suggests not make that saccrifice and in a near impossible situation fight to their certain death? This is way off topic now and not at all relavent to this poor family as the mother couldnt do a thing but its provoked a bit of thought. Personally I think even lifes 'fighters' will have an override, those that dont would not have survived in days gone by, they all would have died fighting.