Sounders

[magners 107]

Sounder what i meant was years ago you could pick a terrier of the street and take it out and it would work,but that day is gone.How many for sale ads do you see now for unreal money and most of these dogs advertised as workers or from proven workers are in fact just rubbish.As for the amount of diging we get well thats up to the individual who gets his or her dogs out every chance they get.I think a lot of the lads that are moaning about not geting the diging are not puting in the time.Its no good going out for a dig after dinner on a sunday and then straight home to the pup or whatever,you wont get results like that.I know kevem em and neil cooney and a lot more of the lads of here and they are geting the diging they say there geting with ease including ourselves.I know that a few year back neil conney and myself had well over a 100 digs between two bitches,and that was just with them,so it is not hard to build up the numbers.

as neil told every 1 he hunts for 26 weeks of the a year so fatman that means 2 digs a week or 2 a day for each bitch thats good goin you must have a right team of dogs about you out of these good bitches.

[hunt 30]

One thing to remember lads without the hard terrier there would he pretty soon NO terriers to breed time after time yapper to yapper is a certainty to lead to disaster within your line

[neil cooney 10,416]

Hunt, good posts. Your last few words very true.

Magners, I now dig 7 months a year anything between 4 and 6 days a week. But what Fatman is talking about is a time we dug every Sunday and a few Saturdays. Out early and trying earths just before dark. If I remember correctly those 2 bitches were part of a team of around 7 or 8.

[wilko tango 50]

Sounder what i meant was years ago you could pick a terrier of the street and take it out and it would work,but that day is gone.How many for sale ads do you see now for unreal money and most of these dogs advertised as workers or from proven workers are in fact just rubbish.As for the amount of diging we get well thats up to the individual who gets his or her dogs out every chance they get.I think a lot of the lads that are moaning about not geting the diging are not puting in the time.Its no good going out for a dig after dinner on a sunday and then straight home to the pup or whatever,you wont get results like that.I know kevem em and neil cooney and a lot more of the lads of here and they are geting the diging they say there geting with ease including ourselves.I know that a few year back neil conney and myself had well over a 100 digs between two bitches,and that was just with them,so it is not hard to build up the numbers.

as neil told every 1 he hunts for 26 weeks of the a year so fatman that means 2 digs a week or 2 a day for each bitch thats good goin you must have a right team of dogs about you out of these good bitches.

yes but thats with the hunt you have to take into acount the other days you would be diggng your local earths going to meet your freinds in different parts of the country holiday periods. a good baying dog or bitch over 3 years old should be tested well so whats to say they could not be dropped 3 or 4 times on a good day after all they need to be tested before there bred from.

[neil cooney 10,416]

Very true Wilko,

[THE DEALER! 77]

Hi folks I've just noticed lately that , good quality traditional sounders are gone scarce , well around my area they are! I know there a must have in the uk , with all the regulations :-), but I find it's easy enough to pick up the harder bred dogs but the sounder seems to be gone scarce, I'd like to here other Irish members views about this !

 

Pre-ban in Ireland when there were two types of terriers "Sounders" and "Strong dogs" it seemed easier to pick up a sounder for the job required.

Everyone knew what a "sounders" job was. Find,Bay and Stay. A small Russell would do the job well.

After breaking through the sounder was lifted. The strong dog (Staff or Wheaten) came forward to do his job.

 

It seems less clear from some posts what some people want a "sounder" to do.

If I am reading it correctly there are guys who are trying to get an all in one dog.

If they could breed a 20lb Wheaten or a 20lb Staff they would have the best of both worlds.

There is great emphasis put on a LARGE HEAD, big dogs that can GET ON to the quarry.

GAME dogs that will take HOLD and FINISH the job.

 

The smooth black dogs seem to be an attempt to become this all in one dog.

 

Just my opinion but that is not a sounder.

 

pre-ban there was every type of working style of terriers about , just like to day .

 

Every type of working style, I agree, but two "types" (maybe type is the wrong description). Sounder and Strong.

Not too many Mute sounders around before locaters.(they would be around for too long).

JMO

 

Is that a new book cover in your avatar?

 

i never heard the term "Mute sounders", but even back at the trials i seen plenty of terriers lifted because they were to hard on the quarry , baying dogs were most popular before the locaters, but there were plenty of terrier men that also had a hard terrier or two in there yard. it was not as if everyone changed there type / or choice of working terrier because the locater came along, it just made digging terriers that got stuck to the quarry less difficult to dig to. i think most lads that were at the trials will confirm that very few would congregated to watch the sounders category, why you may ask why ? , well i leave that to other members of the forum that were there, voice there opinion, or perhaps you may answer this your self .

Edited July 3, 2011 by THE DEALER!

[magners 107]

Hunt, good posts. Your last few words very true.

Magners, I now dig 7 months a year anything between 4 and 6 days a week. But what Fatman is talking about is a time we dug every Sunday and a few Saturdays. Out early and trying earths just before dark. If I remember correctly those 2 bitches were part of a team of around 7 or 8.

fair play neil i know the numbers me and the mates get you dont have to hunt round the clock to get 100+ and are dogs are not sounders

[fat man 4,741]

Sounder what i meant was years ago you could pick a terrier of the street and take it out and it would work,but that day is gone.How many for sale ads do you see now for unreal money and most of these dogs advertised as workers or from proven workers are in fact just rubbish.As for the amount of diging we get well thats up to the individual who gets his or her dogs out every chance they get.I think a lot of the lads that are moaning about not geting the diging are not puting in the time.Its no good going out for a dig after dinner on a sunday and then straight home to the pup or whatever,you wont get results like that.I know kevem em and neil cooney and a lot more of the lads of here and they are geting the diging they say there geting with ease including ourselves.I know that a few year back neil conney and myself had well over a 100 digs between two bitches,and that was just with them,so it is not hard to build up the numbers.

as neil told every 1 he hunts for 26 weeks of the a year so fatman that means 2 digs a week or 2 a day for each bitch thats good goin you must have a right team of dogs about you out of these good bitches.

Magners who's to say we only got 2 digs a week for 26 weeks.There were days we had maybe 3.4.or 5 digs a day and thats not including during the week when i or neil would be out on our own or with someone else.As for the 2 bitchs,mine was stolen along with every other terrier i had in the yard,and neil might still have some of penny's blood in his yard im not sure.It is not a big deal to clock up them numbers when you put the effort in,if you dont well then thats different.

[hunt 30]

I'm out every weekend from four in the morning come the season I make trips to ireland once a year and have also other invite up and down the country like already stated it isn't hard to clock the numbers up if you put the effort in I do thousands of miles every season in pursuit of my passion Working terriers and if anyone else doss then they will get the results same as but to get the results you need the terriers because with a lot of work comes sore dogs so plenty of reserves needed we like to take at least six dogs sometimes eight every day out dependent on where we are going

[magners 107]

Sounder what i meant was years ago you could pick a terrier of the street and take it out and it would work,but that day is gone.How many for sale ads do you see now for unreal money and most of these dogs advertised as workers or from proven workers are in fact just rubbish.As for the amount of diging we get well thats up to the individual who gets his or her dogs out every chance they get.I think a lot of the lads that are moaning about not geting the diging are not puting in the time.Its no good going out for a dig after dinner on a sunday and then straight home to the pup or whatever,you wont get results like that.I know kevem em and neil cooney and a lot more of the lads of here and they are geting the diging they say there geting with ease including ourselves.I know that a few year back neil conney and myself had well over a 100 digs between two bitches,and that was just with them,so it is not hard to build up the numbers.

as neil told every 1 he hunts for 26 weeks of the a year so fatman that means 2 digs a week or 2 a day for each bitch thats good goin you must have a right team of dogs about you out of these good bitches.

Magners who's to say we only got 2 digs a week for 26 weeks.There were days we had maybe 3.4.or 5 digs a day and thats not including during the week when i or neil would be out on our own or with someone else.As for the 2 bitchs,mine was stolen along with every other terrier i had in the yard,and neil might still have some of penny's blood in his yard im not sure.It is not a big deal to clock up them numbers when you put the effort in,if you dont well then thats different.

i did say that was good goin fatman for 2 bitches i wasnt taken the piss

[p3d 879]

Hi folks I've just noticed lately that , good quality traditional sounders are gone scarce , well around my area they are! I know there a must have in the uk , with all the regulations :-), but I find it's easy enough to pick up the harder bred dogs but the sounder seems to be gone scarce, I'd like to here other Irish members views about this !

 

Pre-ban in Ireland when there were two types of terriers "Sounders" and "Strong dogs" it seemed easier to pick up a sounder for the job required.

Everyone knew what a "sounders" job was. Find,Bay and Stay. A small Russell would do the job well.

After breaking through the sounder was lifted. The strong dog (Staff or Wheaten) came forward to do his job.

 

It seems less clear from some posts what some people want a "sounder" to do.

If I am reading it correctly there are guys who are trying to get an all in one dog.

If they could breed a 20lb Wheaten or a 20lb Staff they would have the best of both worlds.

There is great emphasis put on a LARGE HEAD, big dogs that can GET ON to the quarry.

GAME dogs that will take HOLD and FINISH the job.

 

The smooth black dogs seem to be an attempt to become this all in one dog.

 

Just my opinion but that is not a sounder.

 

pre-ban there was every type of working style of terriers about , just like to day .

 

Every type of working style, I agree, but two "types" (maybe type is the wrong description). Sounder and Strong.

Not too many Mute sounders around before locaters.(they would be around for too long).

JMO

 

Is that a new book cover in your avatar?

 

i never heard the term "Mute sounders", but even back at the trials i seen plenty of terriers lifted because they were to hard on the quarry , baying dogs were most popular before the locaters, but there were plenty of terrier men that also had a hard terrier or two in there yard. it was not as if everyone changed there type / or choice of working terrier because the locater came along, it just made digging terriers that got stuck to the quarry less difficult to dig to. i think most lads that were at the trials will confirm that very few would congregated to watch the sounders category, why you may ask why ? , well i leave that to other members of the forum that were there, voice there opinion, or perhaps you may answer this your self .

 

"Mute" sounders was intended as a contradiction, and should have read (they would NOT be around for too long).

The trials we attended, we knew of sounders that were trialled and got certificates, that were no good in the country.

Never really thought too much of the sounder certificates after that.

ATB

[THE DEALER! 77]

Hi folks I've just noticed lately that , good quality traditional sounders are gone scarce , well around my area they are! I know there a must have in the uk , with all the regulations :-), but I find it's easy enough to pick up the harder bred dogs but the sounder seems to be gone scarce, I'd like to here other Irish members views about this !

 

Pre-ban in Ireland when there were two types of terriers "Sounders" and "Strong dogs" it seemed easier to pick up a sounder for the job required.

Everyone knew what a "sounders" job was. Find,Bay and Stay. A small Russell would do the job well.

After breaking through the sounder was lifted. The strong dog (Staff or Wheaten) came forward to do his job.

 

It seems less clear from some posts what some people want a "sounder" to do.

If I am reading it correctly there are guys who are trying to get an all in one dog.

If they could breed a 20lb Wheaten or a 20lb Staff they would have the best of both worlds.

There is great emphasis put on a LARGE HEAD, big dogs that can GET ON to the quarry.

GAME dogs that will take HOLD and FINISH the job.

 

The smooth black dogs seem to be an attempt to become this all in one dog.

 

Just my opinion but that is not a sounder.

 

pre-ban there was every type of working style of terriers about , just like to day .

 

Every type of working style, I agree, but two "types" (maybe type is the wrong description). Sounder and Strong.

Not too many Mute sounders around before locaters.(they would be around for too long).

JMO

 

Is that a new book cover in your avatar?

 

i never heard the term "Mute sounders", but even back at the trials i seen plenty of terriers lifted because they were to hard on the quarry , baying dogs were most popular before the locaters, but there were plenty of terrier men that also had a hard terrier or two in there yard. it was not as if everyone changed there type / or choice of working terrier because the locater came along, it just made digging terriers that got stuck to the quarry less difficult to dig to. i think most lads that were at the trials will confirm that very few would congregated to watch the sounders category, why you may ask why ? , well i leave that to other members of the forum that were there, voice there opinion, or perhaps you may answer this your self .

 

"Mute" sounders was intended as a contradiction, and should have read (they would NOT be around for too long).

The trials we attended, we knew of sounders that were trialled and got certificates, that were no good in the country.

Never really thought too much of the sounder certificates after that.

ATB

 

i would of had the same thoughts myself p3d

[k9delboy 138]

Hunt, i agree with you here mate. I will also be very honest and say that i have had on very few occasions the need or wish that i had brought my hard dog to complete a mission due to the ground being impenitrable and i could not reach old Charlie boy. One that springs to mind is a hole we part dug where we encountered a boulder that was frikkin massive, on top of another couple of boulders and no way could we dig this. I could see my wee tyke baying away and Charlies nose could just be seen but could not be reached. We spent about 3 hours fannying about (yes lads, fannying about is the correct term) To me the dog was doing exactly what it is bred to do which is to keep her quarry at bay but on this occasion, this is all she could do. I had to send another guy back to the kennels to bring a slightly different type of terrier in order to stir this up and get the job done. So i will say this time was needed for something different but as always its horses for courses in my book yis Del.

Think he just means they needed a harder dog that would take hold to finish the job the bayer couldn't mate.

 

so even after you knew the place could not be dug, you went away and got another dog and put him to ground as well in the same spot .

Think he just meant they needed a dog that would take hold to finish the dig mate

Thanks for that Corky, I did have to have a tougher dog fetched to draw him out as the bayer would not mix. My dogs are not perfect but suit me. If i could have shot the fox with the 22 pistol i wouldave but he was out of site under this boulder and kept nipping out to have a rattle at the bayer and i couldnt do the job required without the other dog. I am not saying the dog was no good but i am saying on this occasion, i would never have got the fox without swapping dogs. I was positive that this fox was in a stop end that i couldnt dig too him and this is the reason i couldnt get to him but i knew that the other dog would draw him or finish him as he was just out of my reach for me to get. I own tuff terriers as well but given half a chance i will almost always use my bolters and i cannot understand why anyone would want to use a staffie or a wheaten after breaking through when a 22 will do the job to perfection in this day and age. Maybe just me gettin old but just my opinion, yis Del.

[lurcher330 2,301]

Hunt, i agree with you here mate. I will also be very honest and say that i have had on very few occasions the need or wish that i had brought my hard dog to complete a mission due to the ground being impenitrable and i could not reach old Charlie boy. One that springs to mind is a hole we part dug where we encountered a boulder that was frikkin massive, on top of another couple of boulders and no way could we dig this. I could see my wee tyke baying away and Charlies nose could just be seen but could not be reached. We spent about 3 hours fannying about (yes lads, fannying about is the correct term) To me the dog was doing exactly what it is bred to do which is to keep her quarry at bay but on this occasion, this is all she could do. I had to send another guy back to the kennels to bring a slightly different type of terrier in order to stir this up and get the job done. So i will say this time was needed for something different but as always its horses for courses in my book yis Del.

Think he just means they needed a harder dog that would take hold to finish the job the bayer couldn't mate.

 

so even after you knew the place could not be dug, you went away and got another dog and put him to ground as well in the same spot .

Think he just meant they needed a dog that would take hold to finish the dig mate

Thanks for that Corky, I did have to have a tougher dog fetched to draw him out as the bayer would not mix. My dogs are not perfect but suit me. If i could have shot the fox with the 22 pistol i wouldave but he was out of site under this boulder and kept nipping out to have a rattle at the bayer and i couldnt do the job required without the other dog. I am not saying the dog was no good but i am saying on this occasion, i would never have got the fox without swapping dogs. I was positive that this fox was in a stop end that i couldnt dig too him and this is the reason i couldnt get to him but i knew that the other dog would draw him or finish him as he was just out of my reach for me to get. I own tuff terriers as well but given half a chance i will almost always use my bolters and i cannot understand why anyone would want to use a staffie or a wheaten after breaking through when a 22 will do the job to perfection in this day and age. Maybe just me gettin old but just my opinion, yis Del.

 

staffs and wheatens were use in trails and not on fox and their job was to crawl up a man made shout with a couple of turns find their game and draw it out and they were timed and the dogs were given certs for their achievments and then usely the best dog and bitchs were bred from that how they showed their dogs not just walking around a ring on a collar and lead like cheese wire and these trails were approved by the irish kennel club until the antis stuck heir noes's in and fcuk it up for all the lads that proudly entered their dogs and for the really young lads like i was that did'nt see enough of it to really get the full exsperiance to watch realy good hard dogs work on a large scale.ps i dont think many of the lads at that game would have found it easy to get a liecence for a 22 pistol

Edited July 3, 2011 by lurcher330

[k9delboy 138]

Hunt, i agree with you here mate. I will also be very honest and say that i have had on very few occasions the need or wish that i had brought my hard dog to complete a mission due to the ground being impenitrable and i could not reach old Charlie boy. One that springs to mind is a hole we part dug where we encountered a boulder that was frikkin massive, on top of another couple of boulders and no way could we dig this. I could see my wee tyke baying away and Charlies nose could just be seen but could not be reached. We spent about 3 hours fannying about (yes lads, fannying about is the correct term) To me the dog was doing exactly what it is bred to do which is to keep her quarry at bay but on this occasion, this is all she could do. I had to send another guy back to the kennels to bring a slightly different type of terrier in order to stir this up and get the job done. So i will say this time was needed for something different but as always its horses for courses in my book yis Del.

Think he just means they needed a harder dog that would take hold to finish the job the bayer couldn't mate.

 

so even after you knew the place could not be dug, you went away and got another dog and put him to ground as well in the same spot .

Think he just meant they needed a dog that would take hold to finish the dig mate

Thanks for that Corky, I did have to have a tougher dog fetched to draw him out as the bayer would not mix. My dogs are not perfect but suit me. If i could have shot the fox with the 22 pistol i wouldave but he was out of site under this boulder and kept nipping out to have a rattle at the bayer and i couldnt do the job required without the other dog. I am not saying the dog was no good but i am saying on this occasion, i would never have got the fox without swapping dogs. I was positive that this fox was in a stop end that i couldnt dig too him and this is the reason i couldnt get to him but i knew that the other dog would draw him or finish him as he was just out of my reach for me to get. I own tuff terriers as well but given half a chance i will almost always use my bolters and i cannot understand why anyone would want to use a staffie or a wheaten after breaking through when a 22 will do the job to perfection in this day and age. Maybe just me gettin old but just my opinion, yis Del.

 

staffs and wheatens were use in trails and not on fox and their job was to crawl up a man made shout with a couple of turns find their game and draw it out and they were timed and the dogs were given certs for their achievments and then usely the best dog and bitchs were bred from that how they showed their dogs not just walking around a ring on a collar and lead like cheese wire and these trails were approved by the irish kennel club until the antis stuck heir noes's in and fcuk it up for all the lads that proudly entered their dogs and for the really young lads like i was that did'nt see enough of it to really get the full exsperiance to watch realy good hard dogs work on a large scale.ps i dont think many of the lads at that game would have found it easy to get a liecence for a 22 pistol

Thanks for sharing that info mate. Regarding the licence for 22 pistol. If lads cannot obtain this they can own and use a captive bolt legally as i done before i had my firearms, Del.