mackem 29,522 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 if you involve yourself with coppers it aint always gonna go well. Local copper woman's body was found sunday,her partner an Ex-defective(sorry,freudian slip....Detective)is currently being held for the crime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,217 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 considering a innocent man never came home to his family that day. He never went home to them for 13 years previous to that day either, he much preffered the company of a bottle of grog!.....f**k him, no loss to this planet! Aye and a lot of antis would think it no loss if you were killed, as you are (in their eyes) total scum for hunting? So would it be ok IF you broke the hunting ban and some copper killed you for it? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,426 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Local copper woman's body was found sunday,her partner an Ex-defective(sorry,freudian slip....Detective)is currently being held for the crime. You keep making references to pre meditated crimes commited by policemen Mackem......thats not what this was and is a completely different thing.....this was not a pre meditated criminal act it was a mistake in the workplace,accident....call it what you will.... My point was,if you make yourself busy with plod it dont always work out well.....im certainly nobody to come down on the side of police ive had my share of shit with them but i accept when things dont go your way you take it on the chin like a proper chap should.......ok this fella didnt deserve to die thats not the issue,but the sooner people stop bending over backwards to defend the people at the wrong end of the law and start helping the people at the right end the more sense things like this would make......it was an accident....nothing more complicated than that in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,217 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Local copper woman's body was found sunday,her partner an Ex-defective(sorry,freudian slip....Detective)is currently being held for the crime. You keep making references to pre meditated crimes commited by policemen Mackem......thats not what this was and is a completely different thing.....this was not a pre meditated criminal act it was a mistake in the workplace,accident....call it what you will.... My point was,if you make yourself busy with plod it dont always work out well.....im certainly nobody to come down on the side of police ive had my share of shit with them but i accept when things dont go your way you take it on the chin like a proper chap should.......ok this fella didnt deserve to die thats not the issue,but the sooner people stop bending over backwards to defend the people at the wrong end of the law and start helping the people at the right end the more sense things like this would make......it was an accident....nothing more complicated than that in my opinion. But like has been said, the bloke was walking away with his back to them, hardly at the 'wrong end of the law', the cop just fancied smacking somebody with a batton and picked the old man walking a lone with his back to them. Some f*****g hero he is . . . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,426 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 But like has been said, the bloke was walking away with his back to them, hardly at the 'wrong end of the law', the cop just fancied smacking somebody with a batton and picked the old man walking a lone with his back to them. Some f*****g hero he is . . . It was a riot.....he hardly looked like he was trying to move away from what was obviously a volatile and possibly violent scene,that being what riots generally are !.......He looked like he was trying to be a clever dick winding up plod by " innocently walking along with his hands in his pockets "........knowing theres a riot going on..........he knew plod were pushing folk back but decided to be a prick.....he dont deserve to die for that but he deserved a shove in my opinion......like i say,accidents happen sadly. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 29,522 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 You keep making references to pre meditated crimes commited by policemen Mackem Yeah,sorry Gnasher,that item was on the news as I was reading this,i know what your saying,just cant understand this particular plod being defended considering his past record,attempts to hide his ID during the G20,and his assault on Ian Tomlinson,lets just hope justice(however the coin lands)is served during the forthcoming trial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,426 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Yeah,sorry Gnasher,that item was on the news as I was reading this,i know what your saying,just cant understand this particular plod being defended considering his past record,attempts to hide his ID during the G20,and his assault on Ian Tomlinson,lets just hope justice(however the coin lands)is served during the forthcoming trial. No need to apologise to me mate....i get where your coming from,if the bloke was an arse then so be it....but naturally like anything else he can only be tried/judged on whatever he did that day......what he did on a different day....is for another day.......or something like that anyway Edited October 18, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,217 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 But like has been said, the bloke was walking away with his back to them, hardly at the 'wrong end of the law', the cop just fancied smacking somebody with a batton and picked the old man walking a lone with his back to them. Some f*****g hero he is . . . It was a riot.....he hardly looked like he was trying to move away from what was obviously a volatile and possibly violent scene,that being what riots generally are !.......He looked like he was trying to be a clever dick winding up plod by " innocently walking along with his hands in his pockets "........knowing theres a riot going on..........he knew plod were pushing folk back but decided to be a prick.....he dont deserve to die for that but he deserved a shove in my opinion......like i say,accidents happen sadly. I know what you are saying mate, but it's the u.k, not some kind of South American revolution, where the locals are running the streets with guns, the police are armed and armoured, they really have little to fear, same for the average man in the street. I'm sure there were a lot of folk around the streets that day having a look see what was going on, it's not like martial law was declared! And if the greatest wind up plod had all day was a man "walking along with his hands in his pockets" then he should count himself lucky. How is he a prick for walking away, the direction plod wanted, only not quite quick enough? The cop was a bully and wanted to act the big man, simple as. The job of the police is to be able to NOT be wound up by petty acts of insolence. If they cannot do that, they do not deserve the uniform or power. If a man out of uniform had done the exact same thing to Ian Tomlinson, he would have been held up as a thug and quickly arrested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,426 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) What difference is one riot to another......i dont know the police tactics or scales for riot on a 1 - 10 level.........but having just seen what can happen in cities all across the Uk when riots escalate and police stand around corners hiding,i think a shove in the back was a pretty minor thing all things considered....again,we as a society grant police the authority to make judgement calls on situations we as everyday folk are not trained to.........although they will never get it 100% right every time we have to give them that authority and trust their judgement otherwise if we dont we end up with what we experienced the other week......mayhem on a national scale ! Also,he might of been walking away.....but come on.....we,ve all seen a smart arse,and nobody likes them........be it at football,outside a nightclub or any other place theres likely to be trouble..... He didnt deserve to die but he definately deserved a shove. Anyway,interesting subject chaps ...im off. Edited October 18, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 29,522 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Police told Ian Tomlinson's widow that someone posing as a officer may have been responsible for shoving him before he died during the G20 clashes, campaigners said last night. They claimed that a City of London officer told Julia Tomlinson he could not rule out the 47-year-old had clashed with a protester dressed in police uniform. The campaign group Inquest, which gives advice to the families of victims who died in police custody, said Mrs Tomlinson made the claim in an interview shortly after her husband's death. The allegations will fuel further concern from critics who believe police made a series of blunders and cover-ups following Mr Tomlinson's death. Mr Tomlinson did not have contact with the Police. He had contact from the Police – they came up behind him when he was just walking down the road, and without warning hit him with a baton. This was in fact Mr Tomlinson’s second contact from the Police – he had already been turned away from his route home by another police cordon, and it is possible he was mishandled there too. reports from the time.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 He didnt fall over a die on the spot....he got up and walked away. Is there any chance he got into a fight of somekind elsewhere???? Just a theory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 29,522 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Dont know lab,shouldnt think so,what is interesting is in one of the most heavily surveilled parts of the capital there was no CCTV footage whatsoever of Tomlinsons incident. Nick Hardwick, chair of the IPCC, said on 9 April there were no CCTV images of the assault on Tomlinson because there were no CCTV cameras in the area.On 14 April, the Evening Standard wrote that it had discovered at least six CCTV cameras in the area around the assault. After photographs of the cameras were published, the IPCC reversed its position and said its investigators were looking at footage recovered from cameras in Threadneedle Street near the corner of Royal Exchange Passage, where Tomlinson was assaulted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,217 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 What difference is one riot to another......i dont know the police tactics or scales for riot on a 1 - 10 level.........but having just seen what can happen in cities all across the Uk when riots escalate and police stand around corners hiding,i think a shove in the back was a pretty minor thing all things considered....again,we as a society grant police the authority to make judgement calls on situations we as everyday folk are not trained to.........although they will never get it 100% right every time we have to give them that authority and trust their judgement otherwise if we dont we end up with what we experienced the other week......mayhem on a national scale ! Also,he might of been walking away.....but come on.....we,ve all seen a smart arse,and nobody likes them........be it at football,outside a nightclub or any other place theres likely to be trouble..... He didnt deserve to die but he definately deserved a shove. Anyway,interesting subject chaps ...im off. He was a newspaper seller on his way home from work, he had to walk through them streets. . . .he didn't come out to riot, he had been at work that day, how is walking away from someone, with your back to them, hands in pockets, head down, being a smart ass? Just because they are the police is, does not make it ok in my eyes to say, well we have to trust them to make a judgement call etc etc etc. It's typical of them in many situations, they do nothing when there are real criminals or trouble makers to deal with, but become billy big bollocks when they have someone weaker than themselves and an easy target to pick on. Like you said - real riots and they stand around the cornor hiding, a soft target and they come out batons swinging. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 oh come on lads like i said earlier,in the heat of a battle your always hyped up.coiled like a spring,and everyone around you who aint a copper/bouncer/mate whatever.you look on them as a potential threat.yea going by the video he apparently didnt do anything physical towards the cops,but he was full of the drink an alki by all accounts.so i would imagine he was no stranger to the police,he could very well despise them and that day topped up with a few bevys he said something derogatory to the cops.which one thought warranted a push.just so happens it contributed to his demise.i do feel sorry for the guy and his family,but i can also see the cops point of view.i myself have punched kicked people when it all kicked of in clubs i worked in,who in retrospect hadnt had anything to do with the actual fight,but fuelled by the drink couldnt help poking thier nose in or coming away with a snide comment to us.it was an unfortunate thing to happen,and lets hope lessons are learned from it,but you can teach people all you like in a classroon about policing but at the end of the day were human who knows how you react in a mob situation until your actually in the thick of it.for you all you know that cop could have been injured in previous riots/disturbances by an apparent innocent bystander,and thought to himself f**k that from now own im taking no chances lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tegater 789 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 What difference is one riot to another......i dont know the police tactics or scales for riot on a 1 - 10 level.........but having just seen what can happen in cities all across the Uk when riots escalate and police stand around corners hiding,i think a shove in the back was a pretty minor thing all things considered....again,we as a society grant police the authority to make judgement calls on situations we as everyday folk are not trained to.........although they will never get it 100% right every time we have to give them that authority and trust their judgement otherwise if we dont we end up with what we experienced the other week......mayhem on a national scale ! Also,he might of been walking away.....but come on.....we,ve all seen a smart arse,and nobody likes them........be it at football,outside a nightclub or any other place theres likely to be trouble..... He didnt deserve to die but he definately deserved a shove. Anyway,interesting subject chaps ...im off. He was a newspaper seller on his way home from work, he had to walk through them streets. . . .he didn't come out to riot, he had been at work that day, how is walking away from someone, with your back to them, hands in pockets, head down, being a smart ass? Just because they are the police is, does not make it ok in my eyes to say, well we have to trust them to make a judgement call etc etc etc. It's typical of them in many situations, they do nothing when there are real criminals or trouble makers to deal with, but become billy big bollocks when they have someone weaker than themselves and an easy target to pick on. Like you said - real riots and they stand around the cornor hiding, a soft target and they come out batons swinging. They won't do anything because there are to many do gooders who cant wait to jump on the bandwagon and slag them off. There are good and bad in all walks of life and ALL occupations. Squaddies get criticized when they give it some raghead who has been captured, and good on them in my book, but until you have been there, dont judge. Lots of problems with all sorts of S**t in society would be sorted, if people supported the protectors, and didnt slag them off. If a copper was caught snotting an anti, it would probably be followed by loads of cheers by many on here! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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