paddy o neil 6 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 JUST WONDERING DO RABBITS CONTAIN MUCH PROTEIN AND WOULD THEY BE BENEFICIAL FEEDING TO PUPS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OLD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JPTfellterrier 65 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 JUST WONDERING DO RABBITS CONTAIN MUCH PROTEIN AND WOULD THEY BE BENEFICIAL FEEDING TO PUPS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OLD rabbits are full of protien, as with all meat...they are espeically beneficial as they contain very little fat compared to other meats. Although the pups diet may need to be supplemented as they need a little fat to keep condition on them when growing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paddy o neil 6 Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 JUST WONDERING DO RABBITS CONTAIN MUCH PROTEIN AND WOULD THEY BE BENEFICIAL FEEDING TO PUPS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OLD rabbits are full of protien, as with all meat...they are espeically beneficial as they contain very little fat compared to other meats. Although the pups diet may need to be supplemented as they need a little fat to keep condition on them when growing THANKS PAL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Man 196 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Rabbits will do well in pups that are 4 month old, if they are not use to them, introduce them gradually. if they are minced well as well, its easier for them to digest. I also give pups this below, Gain puppy and sapling, soaked in goats milk, its deadly stuff.. http://www.gainfeeds.com/greyhound/puppy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue one 89 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 make sure to freeze the rabbits for 3 weeks first, then defrost and feed minced up, before feeding to pups. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 make sure to freeze the rabbits for 3 weeks first, then defrost and feed minced up, before feeding to pups. Why do you freeze the rabbits for three weeks before feeding them??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iworkwhippets 13,040 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 make sure to freeze the rabbits for 3 weeks first, then defrost and feed minced up, before feeding to pups. Why do you freeze the rabbits for three weeks before feeding them??? worms Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue one 89 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 make sure to freeze the rabbits for 3 weeks first, then defrost and feed minced up, before feeding to pups. Why do you freeze the rabbits for three weeks before feeding them??? worms Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 JUST WONDERING DO RABBITS CONTAIN MUCH PROTEIN AND WOULD THEY BE BENEFICIAL FEEDING TO PUPS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OLD Rabbits are around 19% protein. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,843 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 (edited) JUST WONDERING DO RABBITS CONTAIN MUCH PROTEIN AND WOULD THEY BE BENEFICIAL FEEDING TO PUPS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OLD Rabbits are around 19% protein. Are you sure, I thought they were 30%+ protein. One of the highest % protein meats available. Edited to add; Apologies, you are correct, raw rabbit is 20%+ protein, cooked rabit is 30%+ protein. Edited April 15, 2011 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 I often used to wonder, when those super high protein foods came on the market, how our dogs had managed to thrive on food which is, to all intents and purposes, a lot lower in protein. Raw meat contains less protein gram for gram as you have to consider the amount of water present in raw meat: this is lost during cooking and the meat is, as everyone knows, harder in consistency due to water loss as well as the chemical changes brought about by cooking. I think people get too hung up on the exact percentage of protein present in dry foods, when if they fed raw meat and bones, they wouldn't worry about it at all as they know that the dog is getting a more natural food. If I actually bothered to work out exactly how much protein my pups are getting I'd probably find it was a lot less than the 26-27% protein content recommended by dog food manufacturers. In which case, how is it possible for my pups to grow just as well, tall and strong if they're not getting that 'recommended' percentage? The answer is that a dog will only use what it needs from its food. And it is my firm belief that a dog can access the nutrients better from raw food than from dry. Rabbit it a great food, though I would never just feed one type of animal to a dog. They need a variety of meats and bits and pieces to get everything they need. The problem with just feeding one food is that you might be missing out on a vital mineral or vitamin: you might think that the dog is fine, and it may be fine for a few years, but as time goes on, that missing ingredient will start to cause health problems. You only have to look at people who spend a lifetime on junk food: by the time they are 40-50, their overall health has started to go rapidly down hill. Dogs are no different. If you have a dog for the the long haul, and not just to play with for a few seasons before you pass it on to the next fly-by-night wannabe hunter, you'll realise the benefit of feeding a variety of dead animals and various veggies etc. A dog which has received all the nutrients it needs throughout its life will last longer and with fewer health problems especially as it gets older. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 make sure to freeze the rabbits for 3 weeks first, then defrost and feed minced up, before feeding to pups. CORRECT! Make sure they're frozen for 3-4 weeks before feeding them to the pups to kill off any worms and worm cysts. Listen to what SkyCat is saying, Feeding a natural diet is the best possible way to feed any dog, young or old. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue one 89 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Very good post SC. I have a friend, that has a whippet x, that is 12, he has mainly be fed on complete food, along with rabbits ect. He works like a 2 year old and has, been worked hard all his life! He has a 14 year old terrier, that still does a bit, again, mainly complete food fed. None of his dogs, has, ever, had a days bad health, injury's yes, but not bad anything else. His other dogs average around the 4 to 5 year mark and are very good on the lamp, working most nights! I, personally, feed both, works well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin 332 Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Rabbits are so high in protein that if you just ate rabbit youi would die of protein poisoning.......true! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Found this to clarify things: its' not the protein content being high, its the lack of other nutrients in the rabbit: explains it very well............... The name "rabbit starvation" may have been coined by an arctic explorer by the name of Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who spent many years in the early 1900's living with the Eskimos and Inuits of Alaska and Northern Canada. Mr. Stefansson wrote, "The groups that depend on blubber animals are the most fortunate in the hunting way of life, for they never suffer from fat-hunger. This trouble is worst, so far as North America is concerned, among those forest Indians who depend at times on rabbits, the leanest animal in the North, and who develop the extreme fat-hunger known as rabbit-starvation. Rabbit eaters, if they have no fat from another source - beaver, moose, fish - will develop diarrhea in about a week, with headache, lassitude, a vague discomfort. If there are enough rabbits, the people eat till their stomachs are distended; but no matter how much they eat they feel unsatisfied." The Indians of the north hunted older reindeer bucks, because they carried an enormous slab of back fat that could weigh up to 50 pounds. They then made pemmican by mixing fat with meat in a proportion of one-to-one by volume. By caloric content, the pemmican amounted to % of mostly saturated fat calories to 20% protein calories. And don’t forget - among the northern Indians, cancer and heart disease were nonexistent. Anyone who is compelled to live for several weeks on little but lean meat will actually experience rabbit starvation. Without fat or carbohydrates, it will make no difference the quantity of meat ingested. He will be hungry after every meal and will lose strength or become ill. Mr. Stefansson described a time of life as follows: "With a diet of lean meat everything was different. We had an abundance of it as yet and we would boil up huge quantities and stuff ourselves with it. We ate so much that our stomachs were actually distended much beyond their usual size - so much that it was distinctly noticeable even outside of one’s clothes. But with all this gorging we felt constantly hungry... One by one the six Eskimos of the party were taken with diarrhea." Here is why the rabbit starvation. Carbohydrates are formed from carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. Fats are formed from the same three components. However, to form proteins, the body must add nitrogen and other nutrients to these three building blocks. Your body normally burns fats as energy, and your brain burns glucose, a sugar. The body CAN burn protein, but it is not a healthy long-term solution. Protein, when broken down, forms ammonia and other by-products which the body has to cleanse away, straining the liver and kidneys. The amino acids from protein are converted into glucose by the liver. The process is complex and requires a large amount of energy. ATP (energy molecules) are used to convert amino acids to glucose, and even more are then required to convert the harmful protein byproduct ammonia into urea which is flushed away by the kidneys. Here's the problem: the body can only supply roughly 1000 calories per day through a protein-only diet because the liver is only capable of producing 250 grams of glucose from protein, no matter how much protein you eat. So, you will still feel hungry, and you'll eat more. Unfortunately, your liver will start struggling and failing to convert the ammonia into urea (not enough ATP) so the ammonia will reenter your blood stream. This starts messing with your nervous system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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