Breeding

[rob84 112]

Happy New Year to everybody!

 

This one has tickled me for a while!

 

Say for example you keep two well bred terrier pups out of a litter. With the bloodline being pretty much pure as it can get! Say for instance pup 1 turns out to be excellent worker and after 4-5 seasons work, you plan to breed of him.

 

One day your out hunting and before you get the chance to breed of him you lose him to ground. Now pup 2 for whatever reason has not being worked and he is the only option of carring this part of the line forwards, be it his mother has died or what ever ect ....

 

Would you use him as a replacement stud as his brother is lost? as the breeding and the bloodine are identical?

 

If i was ever in that situation i think i would as the breeding and bloodline is in him! Just woundering what you boys and girls think?

 

Best of sport! Rob

[tinytiger 872]

Happy New Year to everybody!

 

This one has tickled me for a while!

 

Say for example you keep two well bred terrier pups out of a litter. With the bloodline being pretty much pure as it can get! Say for instance pup 1 turns out to be excellent worker and after 4-5 seasons work, you plan to breed of him.

 

One day your out hunting and before you get the chance to breed of him you lose him to ground. Now pup 2 for whatever reason has not being worked and he is the only option of carring this part of the line forwards, be it his mother has died or what ever ect ....

 

Would you use him as a replacement stud as his brother is lost? as the breeding and the bloodine are identical?

 

If i was ever in that situation i think i would as the breeding and bloodline is in him! Just woundering what you boys and girls think?

 

Best of sport! Rob

 

 

i probably would as well,it would be as close as possible to what you originally wanted to do,but just because 2 dogs are off the same breeding dosent mean they are of the same bloodline-i.e they could throw very different pups.

[rob84 112]

i probably would as well,it would be as close as possible to what you originally wanted to do,but just because 2 dogs are off the same breeding dosent mean they are of the same bloodline-i.e they could throw very different pups.

 

Even tho the two dogs in question are litter brother's, and the bloodline has been kept as close as possible over many generations. Sure the pups being thrown would not being that different?

I am no expert and correct me if i am wrong!

Edited January 5, 2011 by rob84

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Why can't you see if the sibling will work?

 

If not possible, then if you were to breed from it you would have to keep them for yourself..

 

Wouldnt be fair IMO to sell pups from non working parents.

 

If you were willing to take the risk, I think you should have sole responsibility for the offspring. At least that way potential shite wont end up in the wrong hands with your nametag on them.

 

JMO

 

FTB

[foxfan 479]

Yes i would, although obviously you would prefer the dog to have been tested. Its an interesting one as old time gamefowl breeders would NEVER breed from a bird that HAD been tested, prefering instead to use an identicaly bred sibling, they believed that a tested bird would have its constitution weakened.

Of course its not the same thing but if the dogs same way bred i cant see why not, you would have to test the progeny before contiuing though. jmo.

[earthmover2011 94]

good question this and its going to be intresting topic

[christian71 3,187]

Yes i would. I race pigeons and some of the best pigeons that have been bred, the parents have never been raced (tested) but only if from a good strong line of winners.Not all winners bred winners etc, 2 brother one won 10 1sts breeds feck all his bother won feck all but breeds winners. Maybe not dogs but in all things you still get failure's. horse's greyhounds etc even form the best

[Jonathan Booth France 5]

My father often say's that Apples do not fall far from the tree but he also recons the only way to test that any terrier is throwing himself is to see what he has thrown to previous bitches (Possibly let others else test them) if you can see them work and does their work suit your prefered type of work .As many top Stud Horses Greyhounds and indead Terrier's could well be great Animals themselfs but bad producers where-as their sibling Brother or even sister Who's Genes can be close but not identical could be incredible prodcers "As has happend many times in the past!" ,But Great proven Stud animals also tend to get top Quality Bitches ,(check out which line they tend to throw to or even outcross to best!) He also says he would rather breed to a Champion Race Horses Father Rather than the unproven Champion if that makes sence.in Sport Jonathan France

Edited January 5, 2011 by Jonathan Booth France

[moi654321 17]

i would take the chance using a unproven sibling of right bloodline if it was my only available option left to keep a line or strain going!,in my opinion you are better of taking a chance breeding from unproven dog or bitch from lines you have or mates have that you know 100% of the bloodline and youve seen other dogs from these lines out in the field prove working ability over generations,better the devil you know i say, as taking a chance on someone elses breeding and word of mouth and (probably just telling you what you want to hear,bullshit for profiteering) and selling you shit and wasting 2 years of your time

happens far too often too of recent years

Edited January 5, 2011 by moi654321

[hogie 103]

i wouldn't breed of the dog if it wasn't working even the best of bred litters have some shit so the untested mite end up being the shite 1 outta the litter or he could be twice the dog his litter mate was the problem is he's untested so you don't no

[neil cooney 10,416]

JMHO but a terrier being a good worker is not enough reason to breed from him. He should be from a litter of good workers. This proves a breeding has clicked and that the individual is not a fluke.

There's been many a case of a litter producing an ace whilst the other 4,5,6 or 7 were curs.

When the ace was bred from he threw curs. It happens.

So what I'm saying is if you lost the good one then if he was good enough to breed from you should know of his siblings ability and whereabouts.

If he has a non working or untried brother then it's a big gamble and you might be better of going back to beginnings like a lot of people do.

At the end of the day it's up to yourself wether to take the gamble or not.

But it would be wrong to advertise surplus as being out of working parents.

[rob84 112]

Thanks for the info! Always nice to see what others are thinking.

[lee micheal kennels 12]

Why can't you see if the sibling will work?

 

If not possible, then if you were to breed from it you would have to keep them for yourself..

 

Wouldnt be fair IMO to sell pups from non working parents.

 

If you were willing to take the risk, I think you should have sole responsibility for the offspring. At least that way potential shite wont end up in the wrong hands with your nametag on them.

 

JMO

 

FTB

 

i would myself to keep a bloodline alive..and if u yourself have dug the siblings more then one worker..but not ever one breeds for money..i dont

[Mosby 355]

I'm doing the same myself. The stud is proven a thousand times over but the bitch only has a season under her belt. We had several other dogs that had more hunting but by some fluke they all died within a month's time - two working and one hit by a car. I knew if I wanted to keep the blood I'd have to make a breeding to an unproven female this year. I'll be keeping every pup for myself or they will be lent to my closest hunting friend who I know makes good dogs. I won't let a single one out of my grasp. When you get down to having no options it becomes a numbers game. Breed and work as many of the pups as possible. Get the numbers up, cull hard - get the numbers up, cull hard - get the numbers up, cull hard - so on and so forth. That's the way we do it with birds and we get what we want fast. Works with everything. Sheep, dogs, goats. Breed as many as you can and choose the best you can. The blood is in the brother. Whether the traits you want are dominant or recessive they are in there. They eventually will come out.

[neil cooney 10,416]

A good post Mosby but your breeding from a bitch that's done a season. Not a non working, untried terrier.

I'm with you on the bit about the birds but remember it's possible to see what you want to see in a lot of birds in a single afteroon but with the terriers it takes time and keeping a big number of terriers IMO would take a serious amount of time to try, test and make your mind up about.

I've always been suspicious of lads who keep a load of terriers and say they're all tried and tested.

I do realise this can be done with lads who dig seperatly but keep the lines the same.