hancock dogs

[Ideation 8,217]

Well said ash!

 

You want a lurcher you know your getting it from him, how many add's for lurchers, that are not what they claim to be, where are people supposed to go if there starting out just like you did once upon a time or one man hunters?

 

Even in the for sale section of this site and can't be sure if you ould of get ripped off, end up with a dud and thats even after wading through the ones with replies calling them peddlers for selling pups!

 

Being full of hate doesnt solve the problem, do something constructive about it!

 

 

I've always hunted on my todd, and what i've found is, their are some really decent people in this game, very willing to help a fella out with a pup among other things, i detect a certain snobbery and a fear of having one pulled over you in some posts on this thread, Picking a pup from handcock also shows a little inexperience of the lurcher world ,and the hancock bought pup seems like one way of addressing that lack of knowledge,and dealing with lurchermen, The fact that people are still buying out of his yard,after all these years, probably says more about the state of the lurcher world rather than the ability of his dogs, Never should anyone with an ounce of compassion for dogs buy from a dog breeding farm , Their are decent people in the game, communication and common sense are the key,,

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[Ideation 8,217]

May I ask a couple questions?

 

1. What does everyone have against making money from raising dogs?

2. Does anyone know how many litters hancock breeds a year?

3. Has anyone got the address of Hancocks kennels?

 

I've not read where anyone said Hancocks pups are unsound or sickly in any way. Quite the opposite in fact. Undisputed, who it's obvious everyone on this site respects. Says it's a good place to get a collie cross. I believe him.

If I can't find one over here. Thats where I will go for one.

 

Good luck this coming season!

 

Its as simple as the fact that some folk don't like seeing a load of dogs treated like shit in order to have them churn out as many pups as possible to make a load of cash. And others don't give a f**k about the rest of the dogs as long as they get their pup out if it and it becomes what they want.

[Ashover rabbit dogs 76]

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<br>all puppy farms should be shut down, but its not just puppy farms that need to be stopped, my friend recently got ripped off with a pup they where buying from a GENUINE place, they went paid good money for the pup. when they got home and checked the envelope they got with the pup the docking papers and vacc cert  where no where to be seen. the pup was supposed to be legaly docked, chipped and vaccinated it wasnt poor thing hadnt even been wormed. at least hancock parvo vaccinates his pups and iv never seen a worm riddled pup from him.<br>

<br><br>was the dog's born in the uk? <br>All this papers n chip's is all for the vet's to make£££££ <br>Have you seen the vet's dock a pup before I have and its was like been in the butchers!<br>They love the blood don't they as that mean's it need's stitches So thats more ££££ for the vet! <br>Where is i have seen many dog's docked by my dad and his old man and not one bit of blood or a yelp!!<br>This was all before the law was changed!  <br>end of the day This hancock Dose not even WALK his dog's, stuck in a kennel 24/7 soon as they come in to heat they get raped year in year out!! You's can all say well i did not no anyone with the X i wanted till your blue in the face!<br>If you wanted a X like that so much you would wait for the right one!<br>

<br>yes mate i  breed working terriers and i have docked tails before the ban and seen tails docked many many times before. if your vet butchers pups when doing tails i suggest you see a differant vet. not once have my pups needed stitches after docking. the dog was from wales, as far as papers and micro-chips its the law mate. see animal welfair act topic.<br>

<br>So its was from wales You can do them in Ireland you no witch is just a short ferry hope and cheaper!<br>Some people take their dog's over their to have the pup's!        <br>Dont worry mate am lining the bitch a bred with in the next week and i wont be going to the same vet's!<br>I no the LAW in side out mate!  And its a joke Just like all the law's passed when the labor party was running the place "In to the ground"  <br>But saying that i dont think a Dog should be docked for look's!<br>But  <br>Funny the wife has just come in with the form's from the new vet's!<br>

<br>the dog was born and bred in wales, they where told that it was legaly docked but the person claimed that in wales you dont get documentation or any other proof it was done legaly. it was the first time my friend has purchesed a terrier and its for work thats why she wanted a docked dog. i agree the law is stupid i hate what labour have done to this country. im glad your going to another vet though because that shouldnt happen. the only bad docking experiance iv had was when i had to use a differant vet to do it and he docked short i wasnt impressed i wont go there again. my usual vet could probably do it with his eyes closed, he has been docking for well over 35 years.<br>

<br>Oh right i see now mate!! Don't get the papers That breeder should of checked the law as the vet has got to sign the papers by law No if or but about it!!<br>He would of been better saying they were born over the water!<br>This new vet say's i can pick how long the tail is to be taken off so am happy about that as the grand mother of the pup's to be born <br>her tail is a fu*cking joke @ 5 inch long! I have see other springers with nowt left witch Fu*ck's me right off!!  <br>How mush dose you vet charge you?<br>Av been told £30 a pup for tail dew claw and chip!<br>

<br>i said that to my friend, i even told her id go with but excitment got the better of her. my vet charges £10 per tail £13 for the chip i dont get mine dew clawed if i did id do it myself. the docking is quick at the vets its the bloody paperwork ie docking cert that takes ages to do. it was more expensive at the other vets i went to £5 per tail £35 per chip vets rules ment we had to have the vaccinated there too that was £34.50 per course and they where crap vaccines!<br><br>

[graham4877 1,181]

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<br>all puppy farms should be shut down, but its not just puppy farms that need to be stopped, my friend recently got ripped off with a pup they where buying from a GENUINE place, they went paid good money for the pup. when they got home and checked the envelope they got with the pup the docking papers and vacc cert  where no where to be seen. the pup was supposed to be legaly docked, chipped and vaccinated it wasnt poor thing hadnt even been wormed. at least hancock parvo vaccinates his pups and iv never seen a worm riddled pup from him.<br>

<br><br>was the dog's born in the uk? <br>All this papers n chip's is all for the vet's to make£££££ <br>Have you seen the vet's dock a pup before I have and its was like been in the butchers!<br>They love the blood don't they as that mean's it need's stitches So thats more ££££ for the vet! <br>Where is i have seen many dog's docked by my dad and his old man and not one bit of blood or a yelp!!<br>This was all before the law was changed!  <br>end of the day This hancock Dose not even WALK his dog's, stuck in a kennel 24/7 soon as they come in to heat they get raped year in year out!! You's can all say well i did not no anyone with the X i wanted till your blue in the face!<br>If you wanted a X like that so much you would wait for the right one!<br>

<br>yes mate i  breed working terriers and i have docked tails before the ban and seen tails docked many many times before. if your vet butchers pups when doing tails i suggest you see a differant vet. not once have my pups needed stitches after docking. the dog was from wales, as far as papers and micro-chips its the law mate. see animal welfair act topic.<br>

<br>So its was from wales You can do them in Ireland you no witch is just a short ferry hope and cheaper!<br>Some people take their dog's over their to have the pup's!        <br>Dont worry mate am lining the bitch a bred with in the next week and i wont be going to the same vet's!<br>I no the LAW in side out mate!  And its a joke Just like all the law's passed when the labor party was running the place "In to the ground"  <br>But saying that i dont think a Dog should be docked for look's!<br>But  <br>Funny the wife has just come in with the form's from the new vet's!<br>

<br>the dog was born and bred in wales, they where told that it was legaly docked but the person claimed that in wales you dont get documentation or any other proof it was done legaly. it was the first time my friend has purchesed a terrier and its for work thats why she wanted a docked dog. i agree the law is stupid i hate what labour have done to this country. im glad your going to another vet though because that shouldnt happen. the only bad docking experiance iv had was when i had to use a differant vet to do it and he docked short i wasnt impressed i wont go there again. my usual vet could probably do it with his eyes closed, he has been docking for well over 35 years.<br>

<br>Oh right i see now mate!! Don't get the papers That breeder should of checked the law as the vet has got to sign the papers by law No if or but about it!!<br>He would of been better saying they were born over the water!<br>This new vet say's i can pick how long the tail is to be taken off so am happy about that as the grand mother of the pup's to be born <br>her tail is a fu*cking joke @ 5 inch long! I have see other springers with nowt left witch Fu*ck's me right off!!  <br>How mush dose you vet charge you?<br>Av been told £30 a pup for tail dew claw and chip!<br>

<br>i said that to my friend, i even told her id go with but excitment got the better of her. my vet charges £10 per tail £13 for the chip i dont get mine dew clawed if i did id do it myself. the docking is quick at the vets its the bloody paperwork ie docking cert that takes ages to do. it was more expensive at the other vets i went to £5 per tail £35 per chip vets rules ment we had to have the vaccinated there too that was £34.50 per course and they where crap vaccines!<br><br>

 

 

See my two bitche's have the dew claw's and all the springer's we've had for over 70 years all have!

But this vet say's £30 with or with out the dew claws!!

Going to do some more ringing around!

[optimus 447]

does any one run hancock dogs on here just wondering if they are any good ?

 

one of the best dog,s a ever saw was a hancock bitch 3/4 breed took all quarry day & night but she love charlie boy atb keano

JIM BELLS PADDY WAS A 3/4 BRED FM TAFFY. THIS DOG WAS THE NEAREST IVE SEEN 2 BEING AN ALL ROUND LURCHER. COULD MARK HOLES, FERRET OR WORK DAYTIME. GREAT NOSE & STRIKE. GD LAMPING DOG & TOOK HARE & FOX. LATER YEARS HE USED 2 GO WHEN DEER STALKING POINT OUT POTENTIAL TARGETS & FOLLOW A WOUNDED DEER TRAIL. SEEN OTHERS THAT CERTAINLY WERE NOT NEAR HIS STANDARD/ BUT AS THEY SAY "u pay`s ur money & takes your choice" Edited July 31, 2010 by optimus

[undisputed 1,664]

May I ask a couple questions?

 

1. What does everyone have against making money from raising dogs?

2. Does anyone know how many litters hancock breeds a year?

3. Has anyone got the address of Hancocks kennels?

 

I've not read where anyone said Hancocks pups are unsound or sickly in any way. Quite the opposite in fact. Undisputed, who it's obvious everyone on this site respects. Says it's a good place to get a collie cross. I believe him.

If I can't find one over here. Thats where I will go for one.

 

Good luck this coming season!

 

Its as simple as the fact that some folk don't like seeing a load of dogs treated like shit in order to have them churn out as many pups as possible to make a load of cash. And others don't give a f**k about the rest of the dogs as long as they get their pup out if it and it becomes what they want.

 

I've never met or heard of anyone being concerned about where the litter mate of a pup they're getting has gone. Your obviously not a Hancock fan which is fine but to berate others for buying a pup from him or suggest in some way that those who do are inexperienced is way of the mark.

[undisputed 1,664]

So off I went to Hancocks kennels, In truth I dont agree with his methods, that shouldnt surprise you as I cry at lassie films, but what you get is open and transparant, what you see is what you get, I had a 45 min tour, David Hancock told me that the RSPCA visited every 6 to 12 Months, now come on are we saying that the RSPCA would let Hancock's continue to trade if the dogs wernt in reasonable conditions, they are prolific in taking on people whom are treating there dogs / animals badly, both my dogs are 100% what I wanted, they will not be the best coursing dogs and Im sure they wont bring down any biison, but for a loyal companion, which loves to fill the pot and gives me the hours of pleasure, they are spot on, in my opinion too many people buy a pup and expect it to train itself, for your pup to achieve it's potential......you have to give it the time and effort it deserves.

 

So you don't agree with his methods but paid for two of his pups, just a little hypocritical isn't it? You say your dogs are 100% what you want, well different folks have diiferent levels of expectation from there dogs. Its not about buying a pup and expecting it to train itself, if you wanted a working gundog/terrier/guard dog/sled dog etc etc you wouldn't trawl the free ads and its the same with a working lurcher. Answer this question, if you wanted a pup you would invest time and investigate litters for the best choice, would you A) purchase a pup from parents who have been tested and found to be good working dogs or B, Buy a pup from an ex-racer sired by a dog that has never been grafted and spends its life ina kennel or chain and is only let off to line bitches?

 

Anybody who answers B is either a liar or a total messer............

 

Well I've had three so I guess that makes me a liar & a messer and dumb....I'm of to lie in a dark room. I've ripped all my Hancock posters of the wall and removed my I love Hancock sticker from my car....I'm crushed. Dog peddling has always gone on regardless of whether or not they come from someones back yard or a commercial breeder like DH. There may be the odd person that only breeds to keep lines going and only give pups to the chosen few. The vast majority of folk who breed dogs sell on excess pups...you only need to look in the adds in CMW. Sure Hancock does it on a grander scale but if he stopped trading tomorrow there would be a que a mile long to replace him.

 

The thing that irks me the most about these posts are the majority of people who criticise the man haven't owned a dog from him. The argument about any good dogs coming from him being flukes due to the amount of pups he breeds is also flawed. As I said the vast majority of criticism comes from folk with little or no experience of his dogs.

 

[brianL84 11]

NOTHING at all wrong with hancock dogs seen some very good ones its his method of churning pups out just for money that dosent sit right with me and most other genuine dog men.

you are full of shit .listen to you rambling on about churning pups out and GENUINE dog men go and f**k your self into a spicy pot noodle ya f*****g wank the dog

[poacher3161 1,766]

NOTHING at all wrong with hancock dogs seen some very good ones its his method of churning pups out just for money that dosent sit right with me and most other genuine dog men.

you are full of shit .listen to you rambling on about churning pups out and GENUINE dog men go and f**k your self into a spicy pot noodle ya f*****g wank the dog

Hancock fan i presume or just another fekin tea cake

[brianL84 11]

NOTHING at all wrong with hancock dogs seen some very good ones its his method of churning pups out just for money that dosent sit right with me and most other genuine dog men.

you are full of shit .listen to you rambling on about churning pups out and GENUINE dog men go and f**k your self into a spicy pot noodle ya f*****g wank the dog

Hancock fan i presume or just another fekin tea cake

yeah im a fan u got someting u want to do about it ? and thre u go you answered to my post straight away thats because your never off here because your a sad f**k that likes to talk pish on here and has nothing els to do in your sad pathetic life f**k you

[poacher3161 1,766]

NOTHING at all wrong with hancock dogs seen some very good ones its his method of churning pups out just for money that dosent sit right with me and most other genuine dog men.

you are full of shit .listen to you rambling on about churning pups out and GENUINE dog men go and f**k your self into a spicy pot noodle ya f*****g wank the dog

Hancock fan i presume or just another fekin tea cake

yeah im a fan u got someting u want to do about it ? and thre u go you answered to my post straight away thats because your never off here because your a sad f**k that likes to talk pish on here and has nothing els to do in your sad pathetic life f**k you

LOL keep going to hancock for your dogs and dont get them off honest lads like fence hopper only to come out with some bollox and have them up for sale [bANNED TEXT] their still pup you fekin messer.

[brianL84 11]

NOTHING at all wrong with hancock dogs seen some very good ones its his method of churning pups out just for money that dosent sit right with me and most other genuine dog men.

you are full of shit .listen to you rambling on about churning pups out and GENUINE dog men go and f**k your self into a spicy pot noodle ya f*****g wank the dog

Hancock fan i presume or just another fekin tea cake

yeah im a fan u got someting u want to do about it ? and thre u go you answered to my post straight away thats because your never off here because your a sad f**k that likes to talk pish on here and has nothing els to do in your sad pathetic life f**k you

LOL keep going to hancock for your dogs and dont get them off honest lads like fence hopper only to come out with some bollox and have them up for sale [bANNED TEXT] their still pup you fekin messer.

did i sell the pup you f*****g retard no .thare u go again talkin pish about something you dont no anything about well done you just made a complete tit of yourself again

[turbotyke 62]

NOTHING at all wrong with hancock dogs seen some very good ones its his method of churning pups out just for money that dosent sit right with me and most other genuine dog men.

you are full of shit .listen to you rambling on about churning pups out and GENUINE dog men go and f**k your self into a spicy pot noodle ya f*****g wank the dog

Hancock fan i presume or just another fekin tea cake

yeah im a fan u got someting u want to do about it ? and thre u go you answered to my post straight away thats because your never off here because your a sad f**k that likes to talk pish on here and has nothing els to do in your sad pathetic life f**k you

 

your out of order talking to poacher like that have some respect knob head

[brianL84 11]

NOTHING at all wrong with hancock dogs seen some very good ones its his method of churning pups out just for money that dosent sit right with me and most other genuine dog men.

you are full of shit .listen to you rambling on about churning pups out and GENUINE dog men go and f**k your self into a spicy pot noodle ya f*****g wank the dog

Hancock fan i presume or just another fekin tea cake

yeah im a fan u got someting u want to do about it ? and thre u go you answered to my post straight away thats because your never off here because your a sad f**k that likes to talk pish on here and has nothing els to do in your sad pathetic life f**k you

 

your out of order talking to poacher like that have some respect knob head

f**k you ya idiot i will speak to who i want how i want so as i said to poacher go f**k yourself

[brianL84 11]

NOTHING at all wrong with hancock dogs seen some very good ones its his method of churning pups out just for money that dosent sit right with me and most other genuine dog men.

you are full of shit .listen to you rambling on about churning pups out and GENUINE dog men go and f**k your self into a spicy pot noodle ya f*****g wank the dog

Hancock fan i presume or just another fekin tea cake

yeah im a fan u got someting u want to do about it ? and thre u go you answered to my post straight away thats because your never off here because your a sad f**k that likes to talk pish on here and has nothing els to do in your sad pathetic life f**k you

 

your out of order talking to poacher like that have some respect knob head

oh look at me im turbotyke dont u speek to poacher like that now come on everybody look at me i respect people on here im cool. like me please .hahaha what a sad loser