Lurchers and Longdogs

[Guest joe ox]

Was looking through some storage boxs this morning and found a copy of EG Walshs book L&L which I thought I had lost! reading through his chapter on deer I found the quote below quite disturbing being wrote by a lurcherman

 

"fallow deer are sometimes poached with dogs, both by day and by night, in the later case the deer first being found by spotlamp; a wastefull and usually cruel method as the deer are often wounded or killed some way from where the dogs are first laid on and are not picked up"

Edited February 24, 2010 by joe ox

[Guest 2GOOD]

Was looking through some storage boxs this morning and found a copy of EG Walshs book L&L which I thought I had lost! reading through his chapter on deer I found the quote below quite disturbing being wrote by a lurcherman

 

"fallow deer are sometimes poached with dogs, both by day and by night, in the later case the deer first being found by spotlamp; a wastefull and usually cruel method as the deer are often wounded or killed some way from where the dogs are first laid on and are not picked up"

joe, old walsh ,, just like to run with the fox and the hounds )just like a lot that wrote books on lurchers and hunting . :

Edited February 24, 2010 by 2GOOD

[poacher3161 1,766]

IMHO Ted Walsh [r.i.p]wrote that book at a time [bANNED TEXT] their was some high profile deer poaching cases that had made the news papers and the lurcher was being potrayed in a bad light.I believe this authors passion for his running dogs was not to glamourise the use of lurchers for deer to be printed in a book that could be used against the dogs he wrote about.atb dell

[boyo 1,398]

was talking to a guy that had coursed with him at a show once years ago and he said that there wasnt much that ted hadnt run with his dogs agree with poacher i think when he wrote that book he was erring on the side of cautious because his dogs knew what they were bred for.

[Romany 1,065]

Ive coursed with Ted Walsh, also with Basil Smalley and Perie Fairfax who he writes of in his book, (on hares and also on roe pre ban on Fairfax`s land in north Northumberland) all were really good dogmen and gentlemen. Also coursed with Basils step son after Basil got killed in a freak accident on the AI near Belford..

[inan 841]

Was looking through some storage boxs this morning and found a copy of EG Walshs book L&L which I thought I had lost! reading through his chapter on deer I found the quote below quite disturbing being wrote by a lurcherman

 

"fallow deer are sometimes poached with dogs, both by day and by night, in the later case the deer first being found by spotlamp; a wastefull and usually cruel method as the deer are often wounded or killed some way from where the dogs are first laid on and are not picked up"

Joe,I think Walsh was being a bit circumspect there,he goes on to say."even in daylight the course often takes place in woodland and nothing is seen of it".

HE SEEMS TO BE LAMENTING THE FACT THAT THE RUN IS OFTEN OUT OF SIGHT.

From his other paragraphs about the deer found in the UK ,I think we can take it that Col Ted knew the ins and outs of taking deer with dogs ,and, not just as a spectator.

I met him a couple of times ,and found him a lovely old bloke, who could mix happily with travellers and toffs.

We all have a duty to despatch anything our dogs run as quickly as possible ,I am sure you agree with that,and a deer screaming in the middle of a wood isn't really a good advert is it?

You are younger than me, and fitter ,your legs get you to the " scene of the crime" a sight quicker than mine do .I had to run over heavy plough last week end ,searching in my pocket for a blade as I did so, I was crackered when I got there.

[Guest 2GOOD]

Was looking through some storage boxs this morning and found a copy of EG Walshs book L&L which I thought I had lost! reading through his chapter on deer I found the quote below quite disturbing being wrote by a lurcherman

 

"fallow deer are sometimes poached with dogs, both by day and by night, in the later case the deer first being found by spotlamp; a wastefull and usually cruel method as the deer are often wounded or killed some way from where the dogs are first laid on and are not picked up"

another thing about this is ,thousands more deer are and were shot and wounded and left to die by so called experienced stalkers ,than were even chased by dogs ,but it never or still does GET A MENTION in any books about shooting or hunting ,and it is no different .

[Guest joe ox]

The book was first published in 1977 so taking deer by false light can only of been in its infancy back then?

 

 

[poacher3161 1,766]

The book was first published in 1977 so taking deer by false light can only of been in its infancy back then?

 

 

You are probably right joe.But i can remember a case that made the national papers about an individuals exsploits were hundreds of deer had been killed by him and his dog some of them a very rare breed of deer that had been exstinct in some parts of the world and if i remember right the ones he killed were part of a breeding program.Its only my theory but Walsh was smart enough not to glamorise takeing deer and writeing a book that would give the lurcher the respectability it deserves.atb dell

[chartpolski 28,505]

I was lamping in the late '60's and '70's, with much inferiour equipment than we have available now. I imagine there were people who left quarry in the field then, just as some do now. A disgraceful waste to leave quarry lying in a field or wood, and done by a minority, I hope !

 

Cheers.

[boyo 1,398]

1997 roughly the time i started lamping used to have a small car battery still weighed a ton or felt like it and home made lamps lr6 or lr9s there wasnt a car within miles with any of those spots on and if there was they wasnt on them long lol .i remember the first time i used a motorbike battery seemed to be like a feather after the car battery but even those were heavy compared to today.how times change.

[chartpolski 28,505]

Poach; is that the Pierre Davids that you are alluding to ?

 

Cheers.

[poacher3161 1,766]

Poach; is that the Pierre Davids that you are alluding to ?

 

Cheers.

Yes mate though i am trying to rack my brains wat year it was i know it was in the 70s.atb dell

[chartpolski 28,505]

Poach; is that the Pierre Davids that you are alluding to ?

 

Cheers.

Yes mate though i am trying to rack my brains wat year it was i know it was in the 70s.atb dell

 

My memory is also dimmed !! LOL !!, but I seem to remember it was an Alsation/Grey that had the dubious honour of wiping them out ! I went away in '78, so it was prior to that.

 

Cheers.

[DEERMAN 1,020]

it was in that lambourne book and the bloke ,woburn abbey and the bloke was called jb if its the same case.