100% digging terriers

[GET THEM OUT (.)(.) 39]

i have ruined a few terriers in the past, but i have learnt by my mistakes,

i did buy a 100% working terrier that got put thro some proper graft but stuck it to the end, ,

i later sold that dog for very litte money because of personaly isuses,

atm, i have a pattx spaniel she is 4 year old but i wouldnt change her for the world, no she isnt 100% to a terrier man, but she is 100% for the work i need, i can shout her out the deepest of earths, she will stay to charlie when needed but is also a great bolter, yes a few times she will show, bufore she gets stuck in, i dont just use her for digging so thats mainly were her work comes in, , most terrier lads wouldnt give her the space in the kennel but horses for courses n all that,

 

 

that is what i like in a terrier. a stay till dug dog is to be admired. but to some they are a liability in an ideal world. i would like to own a dog that could stay till dug. when told. kill the quarry when asked. and shout out when needed. anyone got one for me

 

no one ever sells a good working terrier. is a very broad statement and of cource is not true. ive seen some very good terriers changing hands. and for many reasons.the terrierworld is full of sweeping statements and most of them are bollocks.

 

one of the main reasons good terriers change hands is they are owned by fannies that wouldnt know a good terrier if it jumped up and bit there arse. just remember there is no such thing as a perfect dog. and to match the perfect working dogs with good knowledgable owners. must be nigh on impossible.

 

take a long look at your present stock. as sometimes the hardest thing too get are the easiest to lose.

 

some dogs will have faults. are they genetic or are they your fault??? food for thought.

 

the reason there are so many so called shite terriers....

 

could it be that the knowledge of training and entering good stock isnt as good as it was..

 

a wee look through the hundreds of pages of the terrier section tells a story

 

early entering

 

bad entering

 

over working

 

over facing terriers.

 

testing to the max. (breaking) terriers.

 

the sportmanship atitude is rare. the whole game has changed. and not in a good way

 

super locators. a good advance . or are they. ive seen folk talking about certain terriers in a god like way only to find out they where mute. how long would they have lasted. and would they have been valued.

 

its not all down to shite terriers. and bad breeding in my opinion. allthough there is a lot of crap bred. thats just the tip of the iceburg.

 

 

very true words, the terriers of today are not as good as they were all them years ago when the locators were none existent, , my bitch has come away from a charlie before , but she only does it when there are lurchers running around the earth of a shot goes of from the 12, maybe she does this thinking that a fox has bolted and wants in with the action ? but always re-entered and done her job, she has never killed a fox to ground, very neally on serval occasions, , but !! she has found in massive place that so called 100% terreirs have refused, she will run all day bushing, ratting, with the lurchers and pack and still do her job at the end of the day when the fox is to ground, , how many people practise locating there dogs by ear before they use there bleepers ??

the terriers of today are light years ahead of where they were years ago . look back in the old books mate .Tipping 5.6,7,8 terriers into a set is NOT the way to test terriers........

 

how many terriers died doing what they were bred for years ago ? how many cowboys was there back then ? better quarry to test a dog on ? how many terriers got located in a couple of mins in a deep earth ?

 

personally i have never read about dropping that many terriers into a earth, , cant really see a true terrier lad going such a thing when that terrier was there source of income, not looking for a argument,

 

atb, GTO,

[bedrock 16]

very true words, the terriers of today are not as good as they were all them years ago when the locators were none existent,

 

I dont understand how they can be compared. You cant compare the athletes of old to the ones now. How would Rocky Marciano have coped with Mike Tyson?

Sir Jocelyn Lucas used to put 8 or 9 of his world famous Sealyhams to ground.

 

I’m not knocking the terrier men of old but its the truth.

[NBW Terrier 16]

i once heard some one say you only know youv got a 100% digging dog when its dead or retired cause at the next dig it could come away i suppose its true in a sense but i believe you can have alot of confidence in a dog but i believe a 100% digging dog thats a rare thing in this day and age and if someone said they had one id hvae to call them a liar till the dog was retired so you know it never came away from a dig if you can see the parents work and breed best to the best the rest dont matter.

there is something in your post.

it is simple mathematics.

[Hepher 86]

A DOG IS ONLY AS GOOD AS IT'S LAST DIG.

[Waz 4,292]

i have ruined a few terriers in the past, but i have learnt by my mistakes,

i did buy a 100% working terrier that got put thro some proper graft but stuck it to the end, ,

i later sold that dog for very litte money because of personaly isuses,

atm, i have a pattx spaniel she is 4 year old but i wouldnt change her for the world, no she isnt 100% to a terrier man, but she is 100% for the work i need, i can shout her out the deepest of earths, she will stay to charlie when needed but is also a great bolter, yes a few times she will show, bufore she gets stuck in, i dont just use her for digging so thats mainly were her work comes in, , most terrier lads wouldnt give her the space in the kennel but horses for courses n all that,

 

 

that is what i like in a terrier. a stay till dug dog is to be admired. but to some they are a liability in an ideal world. i would like to own a dog that could stay till dug. when told. kill the quarry when asked. and shout out when needed. anyone got one for me

 

no one ever sells a good working terrier. is a very broad statement and of cource is not true. ive seen some very good terriers changing hands. and for many reasons.the terrierworld is full of sweeping statements and most of them are bollocks.

 

one of the main reasons good terriers change hands is they are owned by fannies that wouldnt know a good terrier if it jumped up and bit there arse. just remember there is no such thing as a perfect dog. and to match the perfect working dogs with good knowledgable owners. must be nigh on impossible.

 

take a long look at your present stock. as sometimes the hardest thing too get are the easiest to lose.

 

some dogs will have faults. are they genetic or are they your fault??? food for thought.

 

the reason there are so many so called shite terriers....

 

could it be that the knowledge of training and entering good stock isnt as good as it was..

 

a wee look through the hundreds of pages of the terrier section tells a story

 

early entering

 

bad entering

 

over working

 

over facing terriers.

 

testing to the max. (breaking) terriers.

 

the sportmanship atitude is rare. the whole game has changed. and not in a good way

 

super locators. a good advance . or are they. ive seen folk talking about certain terriers in a god like way only to find out they where mute. how long would they have lasted. and would they have been valued.

 

its not all down to shite terriers. and bad breeding in my opinion. allthough there is a lot of crap bred. thats just the tip of the iceburg.

 

 

very true words, the terriers of today are not as good as they were all them years ago when the locators were none existent, , my bitch has come away from a charlie before , but she only does it when there are lurchers running around the earth of a shot goes of from the 12, maybe she does this thinking that a fox has bolted and wants in with the action ? but always re-entered and done her job, she has never killed a fox to ground, very neally on serval occasions, , but !! she has found in massive place that so called 100% terreirs have refused, she will run all day bushing, ratting, with the lurchers and pack and still do her job at the end of the day when the fox is to ground, , how many people practise locating there dogs by ear before they use there bleepers ??

the terriers of today are light years ahead of where they were years ago . look back in the old books mate .Tipping 5.6,7,8 terriers into a set is NOT the way to test terriers........

 

I agree, but I got to say I dont think them fellas back then were out to test there terriers, more like have a days sport. & pre locater collars (before my time) was there single handed dogs getting tested on hard and deep digs??

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

After 25 years of digging i can honestly say ive only known a handful of honest 100% digging dogs that were phased by nothing and would die rather than come away .

Most dogs can and will be sickened by a lot of work but a few stay to be remembered .

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

After 25 years of digging i can honestly say ive only known a handful of honest 100% digging dogs that were phased by nothing and would die rather than come away .

Most dogs can and will be sickened by a lot of work but a few stay to be remembered .

[scent 509]

well im just back in from digging .I had a good dig to my bitch that was on her yellow card .Sounder was down to try a dog and he didnt work out so dropped my bitch and had a good dig to her so im happy enough with her work today

[Cleanspade 3,324]

i have ruined a few terriers in the past, but i have learnt by my mistakes,

i did buy a 100% working terrier that got put thro some proper graft but stuck it to the end, ,

i later sold that dog for very litte money because of personaly isuses,

atm, i have a pattx spaniel she is 4 year old but i wouldnt change her for the world, no she isnt 100% to a terrier man, but she is 100% for the work i need, i can shout her out the deepest of earths, she will stay to charlie when needed but is also a great bolter, yes a few times she will show, bufore she gets stuck in, i dont just use her for digging so thats mainly were her work comes in, , most terrier lads wouldnt give her the space in the kennel but horses for courses n all that,

 

 

that is what i like in a terrier. a stay till dug dog is to be admired. but to some they are a liability in an ideal world. i would like to own a dog that could stay till dug. when told. kill the quarry when asked. and shout out when needed. anyone got one for me

 

no one ever sells a good working terrier. is a very broad statement and of cource is not true. ive seen some very good terriers changing hands. and for many reasons.the terrierworld is full of sweeping statements and most of them are bollocks.

 

one of the main reasons good terriers change hands is they are owned by fannies that wouldnt know a good terrier if it jumped up and bit there arse. just remember there is no such thing as a perfect dog. and to match the perfect working dogs with good knowledgable owners. must be nigh on impossible.

 

take a long look at your present stock. as sometimes the hardest thing too get are the easiest to lose.

 

some dogs will have faults. are they genetic or are they your fault??? food for thought.

 

the reason there are so many so called shite terriers....

 

could it be that the knowledge of training and entering good stock isnt as good as it was..

 

a wee look through the hundreds of pages of the terrier section tells a story

 

early entering

 

bad entering

 

over working

 

over facing terriers.

 

testing to the max. (breaking) terriers.

 

the sportmanship atitude is rare. the whole game has changed. and not in a good way

 

super locators. a good advance . or are they. ive seen folk talking about certain terriers in a god like way only to find out they where mute. how long would they have lasted. and would they have been valued.

 

its not all down to shite terriers. and bad breeding in my opinion. allthough there is a lot of crap bred. thats just the tip of the iceburg.

 

 

very true words, the terriers of today are not as good as they were all them years ago when the locators were none existent, , my bitch has come away from a charlie before , but she only does it when there are lurchers running around the earth of a shot goes of from the 12, maybe she does this thinking that a fox has bolted and wants in with the action ? but always re-entered and done her job, she has never killed a fox to ground, very neally on serval occasions, , but !! she has found in massive place that so called 100% terreirs have refused, she will run all day bushing, ratting, with the lurchers and pack and still do her job at the end of the day when the fox is to ground, , how many people practise locating there dogs by ear before they use there bleepers ??

the terriers of today are light years ahead of where they were years ago . look back in the old books mate .Tipping 5.6,7,8 terriers into a set is NOT the way to test terriers........

 

i was comparing like with like. i wasnt on about sporting gentlemen out for a day out. i was on about terriers controlling pests by working men. same job now as it was then. only without the technology. it was most definately easier to get a work bred terrier when i started out. than it is now.

[scent 509]

iv had my fair share of bad luck the last few year myself.I started off buying so called well bred pups that were really off shit that i later learned.I had a few digs with them but they walked when the goin got tough.At the moment iv another 2 well bred pups here ,one of which is a russell bitch and a pattxrussell that i got off kevin m .Even the working bitch i have here at the moment is on a yellow card.Just seems like a never ending cycle to try get a right good dog or bitch.Sometimes i feel like bashing me head off a wall

scent mate all been there u need to start digging with genuine digging men you have to learn off them remenber the man on top of ground has to be as good as the dog underground

when u get a good dog uknow then iv paid thousands for so called digging dogs and well bred terriers theres a few good terriermen in waterford go to them for ur pups and asks to go along for dig too see parent working they say everyman will get one great dog keep trying my opinion keep the faith

sound fionn iv been offered a few pups off some of the good terrier man down here some lads you know well bit il bring on the pups i have for the moment and see how they go before calling in the favour K.T.F

[GET THEM OUT (.)(.) 39]

ok ok, , back in the " day " lol, do you reckon there was as many terriers bred out of crap stock that are not proven, as there is today ?

 

would a terrier have harder and more testing digs with out any bleepers ?

 

not looking for a argument just intersted in peoples views,

 

i personally belive that there was more " proper" terrier lads about then,

 

the terriers was tested on harded quarry, obviously had longer digs, and i think was culled when no good,

 

maybe and just a pyscho with ginger balls, lol,

[wexford Pa 84]

A DOG IS ONLY AS GOOD AS IT'S LAST DIG.

Id have to disagree with ya there pal..

[marky r 25]

i personally believe there were better terriers about back then could dig what you wanted didnt have to be carefull of were the setts and earths so you could try your dogs in the big places with out much to worry and there werent as much money involved back then i doubt many of the working class could afford to keep a kennell full of shit back then. imagine be able to dig and not worry about getting botherd by some nosey do gooder

[J Darcy 5,871]

I will quote a well known genuine terrierman off here who has had more than his fair share of top shelf terriers throughout his career He has said to me many times "everybody has there five minuites of fame in this job" meaning you will have a yard of grafters at times and "get you by terriers" at others.

They arnt all world beaters and differnt people look for different things in a dog but as another well known terrierman told me "its all about getting the best tune out of the fiddle you have got" and if your dogs please you and give you the sport you want then that is all you can ask of them.

 

atb drifter

 

Ain't that the truth...

[smasher 1,055]

years ago people/terrier men weren't bothered about the dogs looks,only about how it performed,to many lads now trying to own teriers that are head turners,if you lookback at some of the old pics of dogs,dogs that are the foundation of what we have today,i dont think to many of them would win a nice shiney rosette at any of the shows that take place up and down the country,surely working ablity must come first and then anything after that is a bonus not a necessity,personaly i think the shows is where it all started going pear shaped and work was sacraficed for looks,keep it real