Well i see it from both sides, I used to be a keeper when foxes needed to be controled so not to get in the pens with the birds. The other problem up here is that foxes dont go to ground very often, I lamp with rifle but I would rather get one either to ground or take it with the lurcher but beggars cant be choosers. I need to control foxes to keep my permision. I'll be lucky if i kill 30 foxes a year up here i have to travel to get work for my dogs.