when on my permishion always no when the lads have been on with the motors , i have even followed the tracks seen where they have nacked the deer , and even found the deer . a couple of time the deer most of been killed only a good few hours ago , thanks very much lads ill have that, but if i can see the tracks and find gaer who else can , yes maybe the case is you can get up qiuck onto gear and have more kills , i have heard cases where they even throw the dogs out of motor when in chase , this was at a show recently , and what a punch of divs they looked showing off the scares on the dogs ,