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How loud is loud when it comes to centerfire!
JonathanL replied to pandamonia's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
One of the safety points I teach to people doing their Shooter Safety Cert courses is to have an appreciation of those around you - especially when using anything fitted with a muzzle brake. A .308 with a brake fitted is uncomfortable, to say the least, and some calibres produce such a thump through the air they actually make your head hurt if you a lying next to the shooter. There is also a risk of grit and suchlike being ripped out of the grund and chucked about by the gasses. Eye protection is a very, very good idea when using a muzzle brake. In fact, it's a good idea for any shooting. -
How loud is loud when it comes to centerfire!
JonathanL replied to pandamonia's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
i will always go modded since i hate the bang when shooting. just wasnt sure if one caliber sonic boom was louder than another depending on calibre. The bigger the bullet the louder the crack it makes as it's creating a bigger shockwave due to it shifting a larger volume of air. Sometimes it can be quite painful - try standing in the gallery of a range when .308's and larger are flying overhead. It's not far away from someone standing above your head firing an unmodded .22rf. J. -
How loud is loud when it comes to centerfire!
JonathanL replied to pandamonia's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
The bang of the combustion gasses in most centre-fire rifles is much louder than the crack of the bullet, although that can still be quite noisy. You aren't going to get the noise of a big CF rifle down to that of a moderated .17HMR but you can certainly get a big reduction. A .308 is painfully loud up close and you can reduce that to the point where it's comfortable without hearing protection. I saw a .300 WM being fired at the weekend with a mod and you could quite happily sit next to it all day. -
Never shot one but it will be tiny. J.
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Prices have gone insane recently. Everything has gone up, ammo, components, guns, the lot! The ammo price problems are I think due to the US military using so much fighting wars - all the production capacity and raw materials are going to make military ammo. J.
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Personally, I think that's cheap. I've never found a club that I've considered over priced. Compare it with golf (which is also a sport you need a lot of land for) and you will proably be spending several time that. Even a gym will cost you £35 a month or there abouts. J.
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To be a little pedantic - an FAC proves a legal entitlement to posseess the gun. It doesn't prove you as the legal owner. I'm not sure if I agree that the cop handled it badly. If the PNC shows the details of all the guns on your cert then yes he did. If not though then what else was he to do? He doesn't know whether you are authorised to possess that particular gun. It may have been one that you had illegally. J. but then if he thought the gun was held illeagaly why was,nt i arrested for haveing a unlicensed firearm in my procession ? penalty max 5 years This is a point
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Juvenile Caution & FAC Application
JonathanL replied to Mastiff's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
just write it down when you apply and im sure your flo will bring it up in your interview. i got a caution a year or so before i apply for my fac. i wrote it down and the flo spoke to me about it. it was for a bust up in town when drunk on a night out. i told him the full story and he was happy with that. he just said when you are a fac holder you have to think. if you get in trouble again that will be the end of your fac. if you dont write it down and he comes for interview he will then bring it up. mind yours was a time ago by the sound of it. just tell him kids will be kids. he wil -
Juvenile Caution & FAC Application
JonathanL replied to Mastiff's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
I think the form says that a caution counts as a conviction for these purposes. As to whether it will affect your application - depends what it's for, how long ago it was, etc. On balance, it probably won't. In short, they have to judge your application on your cirsumstances as they exist at present. If there is nothing about your life as it is now which would make you an unsuitable person then there aren't really any grounds to refuse it. J. -
I agree that this should be automatic. Certs in my area are taking an age to renew - knocking on for 12 weeks at present which is a joke, quite honestly. Lots of people are having to arrange storage with dealers because stuff isn't getting renewed on time. I know of one dealer alone who in the space of a fortnight has taken in 50 firearms from various people because their tickets have expired. It's an absolute disgrace! J.
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To be a little pedantic - an FAC proves a legal entitlement to posseess the gun. It doesn't prove you as the legal owner. I'm not sure if I agree that the cop handled it badly. If the PNC shows the details of all the guns on your cert then yes he did. If not though then what else was he to do? He doesn't know whether you are authorised to possess that particular gun. It may have been one that you had illegally. J.
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That's section 47, I think. Anyway, even if that was the only reason then they could still use that section to seize the gun if you failed to produce a cert for it as they could reasonably suspect that you had it illegally. J.
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Being fair though the cops have the right in law to seize the gun if you don't produce your cert. It was at night (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) so they couldn't call the licensing dept to check about the rifle. What would you do in the cops position? You stop a guy at night and find he's in possession of a gun and can't produce a ticket for it. Okay, you can verify that he's got a cert but you don't know if it covers that gun. What do you do? Moreover, what happens if you let him keep it and then subsequently discover that it was illegally held? J.
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It is not an offence not to carry your FAC/SGC if you have firearms with you. However, sec.48 of the '68 Act says that a constable may require you to produce your cert and if you don't it says he can seize and detain it. Section 48 J.
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sound like a case where the officer didnt no what he was doing. he prob new this but took the rifle so he didnt make himself look a donkey. glad its all sorted and you got it back If the PNC doesn't give details of each firearm on your cert then I can see the reason why it was taken as the cop doesn't know whether it's one that you have illegally. Had it been during a week day he could have easily phoned the licensing dept and checked. As I say though, it can't be all that hard to make the details of each gun accessable on the PNC. J.
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There is likely to be considerable energy left in a ricocheting bullet. Might be worth getting something like a .223 with a light bullet which is far more likely to fragment on impact. J. how about 17hmr? as i have this on my licence. noise is not really an issue. Probably be a lot better. J.
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There is likely to be considerable energy left in a ricocheting bullet. Might be worth getting something like a .223 with a light bullet which is far more likely to fragment on impact. J.
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I'm totally confused, ALL firearms records are now on PNC, if the PNC told them you had a Firearm then they can also check instantly you have a FAC. There is NO legal requirement to carry your FAC (although a copy can be useful). Just don't understand the issue here?? Kick me someone if I have missed something!! I could understand them taking the gun if the PNC only told them that you had a cert but not which guns were on it. J.
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This is a very good point and, quite honestly, is the way it should be. The system of issuing physical paper certificates is woefully out of date in this day and age and totally unnecessary. Admittedly, I don't know if the details of all your individual guns is on the PNC or just the fact that you have an FAC but it can't be that difficult to do. To be honest, the main problem I have with a paper certificate is the fact that it's a potentialy huge security risk if you lose it. It has your name and address on it along with the details of all your guns and even your picture! They even send
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As long as he's got an FAC to cover the rifle then he won't have a problem. The police will have t give it back. I fail to see why they took it actually. Yes, the Act allows them to do it but what's the point; they obviously know he has an FAC for it or they would have nicked him and charged him with unlawful possession. J.
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The bolt is a component part in law which means that techinally speaking it is a firearm in its own right. J.
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It isn't an offence - there is no offence of failing to have your FAC with you and I can't see that it's any reason to revoke. J.
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It isn't unlicensed but the Firearms Act allows a constable to sieze a firearm if you don't produce a certificate. J.
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It does but that's not what I was referring to in my reply. If you have persmission to shoot over any piece of land then that is what you can do. I have to admit that I haven't heard of that particular condition you mention. J. But isnt to have permission to shoot over any land an open ticket? IE the holder has the responsibility and experience to grade the land other than the police? Not sure why Jonathan has never seen this condition unless his cert was open from the start but it's the standard line for a closed cert. With a closed cert you CAN shoot anywhere, you j
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...or other land provided that you have checked that it's cleared by the local FLO for the calibre you intend to use first. Do you need to inform Firearms Dept if you shoot on another permission? (assuming its passed calibre) And also do you need to send written permission? (As when applying) If your cert allows you to shoot on any piece of land then that is what you can do. As long as you have permission to shoot on the land you do not need to inform the cops of anything and there is no requirement for the land to be "passed" by the cops for using a particular calibre on.
