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THANKS FIREMAN & I HOPE U GET WHAT U WANT.THERE ARE FAR 2 MANY SLIP LEAD DOGS & NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE CAPABLE OF TRAINING A TRADITIONAL WORKING LURCHER THESE DAYS. THE ACD WAS RECOGNISED AS A BREED IN AUSTRALIA IN 1903,THE BREED STANDARD WAS DRAWN UP BY ROBERT KALESKI IN 1897. KALESKI WROTE THE BOOK, BARKERS & BITERS, IN WHICH HE STATED ON ACD,s "THEY DO NOT WANT TO GO HUNTING AT ALL.". JOHN & MARY HOLMES IN THEIR BOOK/ THE COMPLETE AUSTRALIAN CATTLE / STATED THAT HAD THEY NOT OWNED ACD,s THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BELIEVED THIS & STATE THEY "HAVE NEVER OWNED(an ACD)THAT WAS A TRUE HU
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It is the MDR1 Gen defect. Causes a changed sensibility to some drugs. It most probably derived from an only ancestor of various breeds that was a collie. Can u tell me someone who is breeding of this line? Ok thanks for your answer! Magyar Agar AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOGS ARE ACTUALLY WHITE WHEN BORN(A FACT THAT SUPRISED ME) & SOME SUFFER DEAFNESS.OFTEN PEOPLE PUT THIS DOWN 2 THE DALMATION BLOOD SUPPOSEDLY USED IN THE CREATION OF THE BREED. THE ACD PUP IS THEREFORE GIVEN WHAT IS KNOWN AS A B.A.E.R TEST AROUND 5WKS 2 TEST 4 DEAFNESS(BRAINSTERN AUDITORY EVOKED
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FIREMAN I WISH U ALL THE BEST [bANNED TEXT] & I HOPE UGET AS GOOD A DOG NEXT TIME & I MEAN THAT. THEY CERTAINLY HAVE GOOD BONE [bANNED TEXT] & AS FAR AS LOYALTY GOES I HAVE NEVER ENCOUNTERED ANY DOG WITH SUCH LOYALTY.WHEN I WAS GOING OUT & LEAVING HER PIP USED 2 WRAP HER FRONT LEGS ROUND MY LEG WANTING 2 STAY WITH ME.NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.I,D ALWAYS REGRETTED NOT GOING 4 A PUP FM PHIL LIOYDS SPECKLE WHEN PUT 2 THE HARDBLOOD WHIPPET, COUNTRY MUSIC.HOPE U GET WHAT UR LOOKING 4 FIREMAN.HOWEVER IM GONNA LEAVE U WITH A QUESTION AS 2 BONE IN A LURCHER,REGARDING EQUAL & OPPO
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Hi fireman, do you know other acd x breeders beside you? And by the way do you know Simon Dixon? He is mentioned in the Coney Catcher 3 video as a ACD x Breeder. Magyar Agar Hello mate, I know Simon hes a good friend, my stock is some of the last remaining ones bred from his line, i had one of the originals bred in 93, he no longer has lurchers, he field trials spaniels and trains all types of gundogs. WAS SIMON DIXON THE GUY THAT BRED FROM HIS BLUE ACD DOG.HAD A BLUE& WHITE HANCOCK 5/8 3/8 WHEN I MET HIM AT THE DONCASTER & DISTRICT SHOW BOUT 92?? NICE GUY THAT WA
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1st OF ALL I MADE NO MENTION OF KELPIES,SIMPLY THAT I HAVE EXPERIENCE OF AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOGS,HAVING OWNED & TRAINED 1. PHIL LIOYDS SPECKLE WAS INDEED AN EXCEPTIOUNAL DOG,BUT PERHAPS PEOPLE SHOULD ASK ABOUT HOW SUCCESSFUL LATER LITTERS WERE.[NO TEXT TALK] OUT THERE RECALL THE 1ST NL&RC FIELD TRIAL? WON BY A GUY CALLED KEVIN WALKER WITH A COLLIE X? HE WAS LATER INVOLVED IN OWNING & WORKING 1 OF A MUCH PUBLICISED LITTER OF ACD X GREYHOUNDS.HE LATER PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE IN THAT HE SUMMED UP THAT AN ACD COULD NOT GIVE ANY MORE AS A WORKING LURCHER THAN A BORDER COLLIE CROSS. ALSO IF
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DDIFFERNCE BETWEEN THEM IS THAT A NON PEDIGREE DOGS USUALY HAVE SOME GREYHOUND BLOOD IN THEM & ARE RUN UNDER THE BRITISH WHIPPET RACING ASSOCIATION & ARE RAN IN CATEGORIES ACCORDING 2 THEIR WEIGHT.MUCH THE SAME PRINCIPLE AS BOXING. IVE SEEN DOGS UP 2 23/24INCH AT SUCH MEETINGS.WHEREAS PEDIGREE WHIPPET CLUB RULES ARE RAN UNDER A 20 INCH HEIGHT LIMIT. DONT HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE OF PEDIGREE WHIPPETS BUT THIS TOPIC DEALS WITH NON PEDIGREE OR HARDBLOODS AS THEY ARE KNOWN. SEEN SOME VERY DECENT ANIMALS FROM SUCH BREEDING WITH A LOT OF FIRE. HOWEVER THEIR COATS AINT REALLY MADE 2 HANDLE INCLEM
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whats the most rabbits caught in one night
Endgame replied to daz280597's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
ON THE RIGHT GROUND,WITH THE RIGHT WEATHER CONDITIONS & BEFORE THE RABBITS BECOME WISE 2 THE LAMP ANY HALF DECENT& FIT LURCHER CAN TAKE A LOT OF RABBITS ON THE NITE. WHAT ANY EXPERIENCED DOG MAN SHOULD KNOW IS HOW MANY RABBITS U CAN CARRY ON THE NITE & THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES 2 SKIN & PREPARE THEM BE IT THAT NITE OR NEXT DAY. I GOT STOPPED ON WAY HOME WITH 26 RABBITS BY THE POLICE ONCE. OBVIOUSLY DIDNT BELIEVE THAT MY DOG HAD CAUGHT THEM IN LAMP.CALLED IN A POLICE VAN WHICH I SAT IN WITH DOG,WHILST THEY SEARCHED MY VAN 4 FIREARMS.THEN SENT ME ON MY WAY WITH A HORTI & NO -
CANNOT COMMENT ON KELPIES BUT I HAVE EXPERIENCE OF AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOGS & I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY [NO TEXT TALK] WOULD BREED FROM SUCH A STOCKY & THICKSET DOG. OBVIOUSLY THE MAIN IDEA OF BREEDING FROM A PASTORAL BREED WOULD BE 4 RABBITING BUT A 1ST CROSS IN THE MAIN WOULD LACK THE SPEED OR AGILITY NEEDED.THERES IS ANOTHER POINT THAT AN AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOG LACKS/SUPRISINGLY THEY LACK A GOOD SCENTING ABILITY/WHICH IS VITAL IN A WORKING LURCHER.DONT JUST TAKE MY WORD ON THIS.U CAN CHECK IT IN JOHN HOLMES BOOK ON A C D,s,AS HE & HIS WIFE WERE AMONGST THE 1ST IMPORTERS OF THE BREED
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"HARES ARE FASTER THAN DOGS".TOTAL NONSENSE,BUT MIND YOU IT DOES DEPEND ON THE DOG/HOWS ITS BRED / WHAT TYPE OF RUNNING & WHAT TYPE OF GROUND IT WAS BRED 4?? HOW IMPORTANT IS PURE SPEED IN A COURSING DOG?? ITS EVERYTHING! PROVIDED THE HARE KEEPS RUNNING IN A STRAIGHT LINE! (PRE BAN OF COURSE)
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S.H.I.T.E. THERE ARE PURE SALUKIS THAT CANT RUN 4 5MIN,s NEVER MIND A GREYHOUND THAT RUNS 4 7MINS. I,D HAVE 2 SAY THATS 1 OF THE MOST RIDICULOUS COMMENTS CONCERNING COURSING IVE EVER HEARD. I SEEN NIPPER(THE NIPPER OF SEAGULL/FOXY/BLONDIE/BENJI FAME) TAKE A HARE 4 NEAR 7MINS & IT ENDED UP A NEAR WALKING MATCH & HE WAS FAMOUS 4 STAMINA!
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MY WORST EVER HAS 2 BE A HANCOCK 5/8 GREYHOUND 3/8 COLLIE(BEARDIE/BORDER MIX) FM THE STUD DOG ENOCH IN 1992. GREW IN2 A BIG STRAPPING 26INCH ROUGH COATED BEAST. KEPT HER TILL SHE WAS OVER 2 YRS OLD. DOG CLEARLY HAD NO LOVE 4 ME BUT WE GOT OVER REFUSING 2 COME 2 HAND BY CONSTANTLY CARRYING A BAG OF CHEESE TIT BITS.PERSEVERED & JOINED A DOG TRAINING CLASS.BITCH WAS A BIT LOOPY BUT DAILY WORK RESULTED IN HER GAINING A BEGINNER/INTERMEDIATE & ADVANCED CERTIFICATE ON SAME NIGHT WHEN POLICE DOG HANDLER TESTED DOGS PUT FORWARD 4 DOG TRAINING AWARDS. SADLY WHEN IT CAME 2 WORKING HER SHE NEVER
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UR RIGHT DOXHOPE.SEEING UR OWN BREEDING COMING 2 FRUITION IS A BUZZ BEYOND COMPARE & I DONT CARE WHAT [NO TEXT TALK] SAYS/ PERSONALLY I THINK U PUT THAT BIT MORE EFFORT IN2 UR OWN PUP & ALSO PUT UP WITH A BIT MORE OF SHALL WE SAY ITS OWN LITTLE FOIBLES? THOMPSONS DOGS IS ON A HIGH JUST NOW & LONG MAY IT CONTINUE. I ALSO TRAVEL SOME QUEER DISTANCES 2 GET DECENT RUNNING 4 MY DOGS & ESPECIALLY 4 MY YOUNG DOG. WHAT MAKES A YOUNG DOG COME ON IN MY OPINION IS SUCCESS IN GETTING FUR IN ITS MOUTH & BUILDING A YOUNG DOGS CONFIDENCE. MOST WILL DEVELOP THEIR OWN STYLE OF RUNNING &
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UR PUPS COMING ALONG FINE THOMPSONS DOGS. ALWAYS A BETTER BUZZ I THINK WHEN ITS UR OWN BREEDING. U DONT STRIKE ME AS A DOG SWAPPER MY FRIEND,SO I DONT THINK U WOULD EVEN CONSIDER SELLING HER. HERES 2 CONTINUED SUCCESS 2 U & 4 ALL GENUINE DOG MEN & WOMEN IN 2010,(TOUCH WOOD!).
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52 IS THE PRINCIPLE WORKING THEORY. AGREE WITH PRINCIPLE ON RECESSIVE OR DOMINANT GENES. 4 EXAMPLE IN DOGS THE COLOURATION BLACK IS A DOMINANT GENE & NEED ONLY BE PRESENT ON 1 SIDE OF PARENTAGE WHILST WHITE 4 EXAMPLE IS RECESSIVE & NEEDS 2 BE PRESENT ON BOTH SIDES. THE PRINCIPLE WORD HERE IS HYBRID. THAT IS WHY PUPS THAT BEAR LITTLE RESEMBLANCE 2 EITHER PARENT CAN APPEAR IN HYBRID LITTERS ,AS BOTH PARENTS POSSESS THAT PARTICULAR GENE THAT HAS LAY RECESSIVE THEREFORE DORMANT TILL THAT PARTICULAR MATING.GIVEN THE GENERALSATION AS BEING A THROWBACK IN WORKING TERMS.
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READ A BOOK ON GUNDOG TRAINING YEARS AGO. WRITER MENTIONED THAT U NOTICED THE DIFFERENCE OF A DOG KEPT OUTSIDE ON A COLD WINTERS MORNING WHEN YOUR DOG BOUNCES OUT THE KENNEL READY 4 A DAYS WORK. DOGS KEPT IN CENTRALLY HEATED HOUSES ALSO MOULT NEAR CONSTANTLY AS ITS AN UNATURAL ENVIROMENT 4 A DOG THAT GOD HAD THE GRACE 2 GIVE A NATURAL COAT 2. THEREFORE THEY DONT DEVELOP A WINTER COAT THE SAME AS A DOG KEPT OUTSIDE.
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WELL THERES 52 CHROMOSOMES IN A DOG,SAME AS IN A HUMAN. 26 FROM SIRE 26 FM DAM/SO IF U CAN WORK OUT HOW THATS GONNA TURN OUT IN A LURCHER OF MIXED BREEDS THEN UR A GENIUS!. IVE HEARD ALL THE ARGUMENTS & SEEN A LOT OF LITTERS. SEEN GOOD BROOD BITCHES THAT SEEMED 2 THROW DECENT PUPS & STUD DOGS THAT HAD A STRONG INFLUENCE ON THE RESULTING LITTERS. PERSONALLY I THINK THAT U HAVE A BETTER CHANCE IF U STICK 2 DECENT BREEDING & THAT A DECENT DOG IS BORN & IT TAKES THE RIGHT MAN 2 HANDLE & BRING ON THE BEST QUALITIES FM THE DOG./ IVE SEEN MEN PERSEVERE WIF DOGS THAT CLEARLY DIDNT
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GOOD 4 U BENNY /BUT ITS HARD 2 RESIST THAT 1 MORE RUN BENNY.ESPECIALLY IF UR NITE AINT WENT WELL.HINDSIGHT IS A WONDERFULL THING.TRY & IGNORE SOME OF THE "IF ITS GOOD ENOUGH ITS OLD ENOUGH!" BRIGADE. U TEND 2 FIND THEY HAVE HAD MORE LURCHERS THAN HOT DINNERS. GOOD LUCK MATE, COS IF U CAN LIMIT IT 2 A COUPLE OF RUNS WHEN THE GROUND IS BUSY WITH RABBITS,THEN UR A BETTER MAN THAN ME.
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SALUKI IS VERY EVIDENT IN IT STRIPE.MUST BE SALUKI ON BOTH SIDES OF PARENTS AS FEATHERING ON SALUKI CROSSES IS A RECESSIVE GENE SAME AS BORDER COLLIE CROSSES. THATS WHY 1ST CROSSES OF EACH 2 A GREYHOUND ARE ALWAYS SMOOTH COATED LIKE THE GREYHOUND. U WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA AS IT GETS OLDER & WATCH THE PACE OF THE DOG & HOW THE DOG MUSCLES UP PARTICULARY ITS BACK END.DEPENDS WHAT U WANT 2 RUN THE DOG ON STRIPE??NICE LOOKING DOG/OBVIOUSLY KEPT IN GOOD CONDITION.
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MICK DOUGLAS DID HAVE A BEARD AT 1 TIME YES/BUT 2 BE READING ABOUT AUDBREY FRYER,THEN WE ARE GOING BACK 2 THE OLD DAYS WHEN THE COUNTRYMANS WKLY WAS THE SHOOTING NEWS.ANYONE REMEMBER THE OLD "LETTERS 2 THE EDITOR"PAGE?? AFRAID [NO TEXT TALK] SEARCHING 4 THE OLD SMITHFIELD COLLIE WILL BE DISSAPOINTED/THOUGH STRAINS OF ROUGH COATED BEARDIE/BOBTAIL TYPES ARE DEFO STILL WORKED IN THE AVIEMORE AREA. THOUGH WHAT THESE TYPE OF DOGS COULD ADD 2 A LURCHER IN THESE DAYS OF POINT FIRE UR LURCHER WHILST LOOKING OVER UR SHOULDER IS QUESTIONABLE??
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HI KATY/AS U PROBABLY KNOW NORFOLKS WERE SUPPOSEDLY BRED USING SMITHFIELD COLLIES(named as they drove stock 2 Smithfield market in London) Mick Douglas claimed 2 breed stock bred down from these dogs.LAST I SPOKE 2 MICK HE OPENLY ADMITTED HE HADNT BRED THE LITTER 4 HIMSELF BUT 2 SELL AS HE WAS BUSY WORKING ON HIS BOAT & WAS MORE IN 2 SAILING. THINK IT BECAME THE NORM AT UK SHOWS IN THE ,S 2 TERM ANY FAWN ROUGH COATED LURCHER AS A NORFOLK TYPE. CERTAINLY THE RISE IN SALUKI LURCHERS PUT PAID 2 THE POPULARITY OF SUCH DOGS AS NORFOLKS WERE ALWAYS TOUTED AS NOT JUST A LURCHER BUT CAPABLE ON A H
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AT 7& A HALF MONTH FOR ME ITS A BIT EARLY BENNY/ITS AN AWKWARD AGE AS AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MOST OF THE SQUATTERS ETC ARE DEAD OR HAVE WENT UP A GEAR.FEW RUNS COULD GO WELL BUT KNOWING UR DOGS LIMITS & HOLDING PUP TILL RABBITS HAVE WENT DOWN A BIT & UR PUPS A BIT STRONGER NEXT YEAR WONT DO IT NO HARM.ENJOY THE GAME THERE AINT NO RACE.
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U CAN TRY ALL SORTS OF THINGS & IVE HAD IT A FEW TIMES OVER THE YEARS/PROBLEM 4 UR DOG AINT THE NAIL ITS THE NERVE RUNNING THROUGH IT.TRIED COVERING IT WIF TAPE/ELASTOPLAST & GENTIAN VIOLET(PURPLE SPRAY) THATS MEANT 2 DRY & CLEAN IT/BUT I USUALY END UP WIF MORE ON MYSELF OR THE SLABS. ALWAYS END UP AT THE SAME END WIF SUCH INJURIES,& THATS CUTTING THE NAIL BACK 2 WHERE THE NAILS WHOLE & ALLOW IT 2 REGROW IM AFRAID/U HAVE 2 KEEP NERVE END CLEAN BEST U CAN(I CLEAN IT TWICE DAILY WIF SALT WATER IN BUCKET)AS AN INFECTED NAIL OR TOE IS HELL 2 SHIFT.INJURIES SEEM 2 TAKE AGES 2 HE
