dont agree now either fat man mine are not sounders except for one and they are worked regular to fox but no how to handle themselves with the exception of one who is hard on herself takin hold where ever she can from xmas on the dog foxs can be full of hormones and give a good account of himself i have one bitch that is nearly eleven that killed foxs all her life with ease at at little expense to herself dont forget lads opinions are like arse holes every one has one but it doesn make us right the whole time