Bryan
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It means you dug too soon and didn't understand what was happening underground.
It's a black mark against the digger/s not the dog.
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I never knew we had to choose one. A 100% mute dog is as limited to me as a bayer. But will fail with time and opportunity.
I want a real digging dog to coast for hours underground if they can and never let go when they have to.
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Not all dogs could be or should have been badger dogs, a 12lbs dog can't do the same work a 22 lbs dog can.
A 22 that could only work fox isn't comparable with a 12 that's faultless on a fox. All the old dogs from the fells were fox only dogs.
Only a fox dog, doesn't tell the whole story, not by a long shot. B
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Majority of the good guys I know have them.
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was a no looser for brook i thought. going up in weight against ggg....nuff said. fair play to him
Yokel
couldn't agree more but kell did himself a big favour. at his weight he is a force to contend with.
thanks for the link, great to see
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those guys had the best of staffs at that time and as soon as they came in they'd access to the best of the pits as well
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It's not a pitbull though is it?
Maybe guys could post about pitbulls and pitbull pictures in this thread, the patterdale, russel, lakeland and bedlington threads.
They'd be way better. None of them are as game as pits, can't pull as much weight and basically are all a bit shit.
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I'm from Ireland where all airguns are FAC.
If you where there, who would limit their airguns to 12ft/lb? and who wouldn't bother with an airgun at all.
I like the field craft involved with an airgun and farmers are happier with me using it within a mile of cattle than they would be with a RF
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FAC HW80K Solid tool for 21 years.
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Rippem, these dogs are bred for work, the standard they're judged by is work and only work. There's is no physical standard for these dogs because it doesn't come into it.
Either they can or can't, do or don't. A big dog will find plenty work in some kennels and a tiny bitch the same in another, there's jobs for everyone if they want the work.
I every litter down from generations of workers we expect there to be some non workers or pups not up to the working standard.
No one is shocked when non workers are produced by Worker X Worker. Why would anyone give a shit if black X black produce blank and tan? The concern is will it work.
As Dillydog said Smithy was half Lakie, he's one of the foundations of "pure" american patterdales.
Americans want Pure dogs, all most of us are breeding for is working dogs.
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An old thread I know but I was out with my HW80 last week, hadn't used it in over a year.
2 shots 2 rabbits at 45 and 48 yards. It runs at 21.8 ft/lbs rabbits go down without a twitch.
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Stop lying to us MIK, only a Jadg can do that. Great to see
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Lovely beard.
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Hi was wondering if any of you guys with more experience with terriers could tell me if this sounds right there was a guy saying that the old man that learned him to run a trap line used a dog that was a x between a bull terrier and something he called a German terrier that would track coyote bobcat fox and Badger that pulled the traps off and if they made it to a den the dog would go in and pull the animal out of the den I was wondering if anyone of you had ever heard or seen terrier used to pull the game out I always thought they bay them under ground and the hunter dig the game out but terrier hunting is still kind of new here so I thought I would ask some people that had more of a history with them
I know of one 1/2x bull in Cali that killed a coyote underground and pulled it out. He's about 21lbs
Him and a brother of his (about 26 lbs) caught and killed another above ground. Opportunities with terriers on coyotes are very limited.
Don't know of any dog, of any breeding even managing to be regularly dug to with badger in the states, not to mind killing them.
Would depend on how much of the killing the trap is doing.
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Some craic on THL kids shouting down the guys that were there and done it. Cause the heard all about it online.
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Are the Fell pack using iron hard rock dogs still or just bolters?
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Now that really is 'THE' question Bryan, the one i was hoping we'd get to...What about Cowan and Tyson blood?
I have no idea but i'd love to find out..
I haven't heard of any cowan blood around for years, my old man really rated them as hard dogs and some of his best dogs came straight out of cowans yard, only problem was they would kill anything that moved
I know AG brought some good Cowan blood with him when he came to hunt the Waterford foxhounds in the late 80's and MF carried on with that blood, but it's well diluted by now.
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Fair dues to Topper, says something when he's the only one out there producing the goods. Too many people want to produce "pure' and "KC" and are unconcerned about the working bit.
Lots of the comments about his dogs are loaded with X's,crosses,hybrids etc. etc.
Topper seems more concerned about producing workers, I doubt that Dobson worried about fell or lakie blood in his workers?
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What about Cowan and Tyson blood?
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Here's two oldies of him, one with a full coat and the other shaved down. He looked like a black n tan box headed whippet, one of the reasons anyone who had a decent bitch stayed clear...
IMG-20160808-WA0000.jpgIMG-20160808-WA0001.jpgThanks for the replies, I think we've all missed out on breeding from good ones like that, more so when younger. Anyone that avoided a dog with that blood behind him because he wasn't pretty enough should hang their heads. Their probably asking now where all the good ones are gone LOL.
You breeding the bitch to a better bred dog is a good reason.
It's trotted out here all the time that breeding for money ruins lines. I reckon it not breeding enough from the good ones that causes the problems. ATB B.
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Todd had a couple of goes each year Tank. I prefered to dig but when i went with them blokes they had a few specks in old quarrys etc.
That Todd dog came out of two lines, Cyril Tysons and John Cowans. I'd like to think that blood from either line is still knocking about but i have no idea. That photo is from about 1985. Todd never lined anything.
Why didn't you breed off him?
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The APBT aka The Bulldog is as pure bred as dogs come and tracing their ancestor's is not hard and in all the pedigrees going back to the late 1800s I have never ever seen an outcross to a terrier. How much farther do you need to go back.
Think about it, breeding small dogs to go under ground has been around for less than 300 years but the need for large powerful fighting types has been around for over a thousand years.
When dogfighting became popular the fighting breeds were made smaller for the pit but IMO this was done by breeding from smaller fighting types not by outcrossing to a terrier.
Why would you use a small type of hunting dog that has to stand back and bay (which is the type used back then) to breed into a breed that must be full on using his mouth to hold and fight an opponent ???
Yes, I'm sure crosses between the two were made for the rat pits and they were called bull and terriers but I've never heard of the blood from any rat pit dogs make their way into any lines of fighters.
Fighting dogs for the last couple of centuries have been bred fighter to fighter and in the case of the EBT that most certainly is not the case.
Not into dogfighting myself but the history and pedigrees of that fascinating breed (the APBT) is there for anyone to see.
Small dogs have been bred to go underground longer than 300 years.
The large powerful fighting types mastiffs, bulldogs etc. have been around for thousands of years but they aren't and weren't pitbulls.
A pitbull is a different breed who's history doesn't go as far back as terriers. It doesn't go back much further than the ban on bullbaiting in the mid 1800's
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Why not get it PTS?
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Shit On By The Country He Served
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8 years seems a reasonable sentence for what he did. They were sitting around, weren't taking fire and it seemed like he killed the guy just for the notch on his belt. That his comrades kept, downloaded and shared the video is damming of them all and gives and idea of their mindset.
If you go into a foreign country that hasn't attacked yours and are there to kill the locals you should know you'll be held accountable.
That the Taliban are back in control says it all.
Bitter Lake on iPlayer is worth a watch. All for nothing, I feel very sorry for the people killed on injured out there, but if you went around killing people outside ROE then a reasonable sentence seems just. Operating outside of the rules makes you a terrorist.