i was out ratting on my permission,invited a couple lads off this site for a day out with me on the rats,dogsa ferrets,cain saw smoker ,also the fella (benandgun)had just purchased a rat attack smoker m2 ,the rat attack was absolute shit in my opinion,once the smoke had cleared we tried the ferts and rats bolting so the bloody thing was worse than useless ..anyway rant over ,not a big bag think it was half dozen hard won rats,lost lot more though ,but they,ll be there for another day...enjoyable day in good company...welcome anytime darren...and your brother karl...atb...darrell.