yeah tidy i wasnt bein rude but i saw what i saw with him that one time i wont give a dog a second chance im pleased he turned out ok for u but when the dog did work for me he was a hard biting dog he was in controlle all the time and he could kill thas why i couldnt understand why he jibbed on me and he was never over worked either he was a well bred dog i do know of pups out of him which work well