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I bought 1 dog and 1 bitch from Gary back in 1978, and it has been from these dogs that I have kept the line of Garys stuff. Yes - to your question, they are still fairly hard, they are bayers, but also they will mix it and have killed foxes. I now only keep bitches in my kennels and would only breed from a dog that has proved himself and is capable of killing a fox, and of course of the same lines. All my terriers can be spanned, and all the dogs I have bred can be spanned as well. Over the years, I have sold 3 maybe 4 dogs and bitches back to Gary, and they are mentioned in the book.