cheer's mate, she outa good stuff, the other one's a big f****r 20TTs @ 16week old! had her out with the broom handle and line, unreal truning/strike and speed on her for 16 week old, never seen a pup like her, game as out, recall and retrive is spot on, mint when i take her out with the lamp at dummies, strait down the beam to the dummies and back to hand! only putting them out at 20/30 yards max but she coming on good!