After trying for the best part of six months different frames, bands, ammo, fork hits and not to mention two nasty knuckle strikes ive turned a corner! My final try was a scout copy frame before chucking it all in ha, so tonight with the new frame fitted up with celtic catty .75 on a 20/15 taper 9.5 steel i am destroying red bull cans at 10 out to 15 metres? Excellent frame and bands and just seems to fit, so if you are a new comer like me try different set ups it may take awhile but i got there in the end, highly addictive is this catty lark