As you say mate, the hinds bloody big never mind the Stags , was over one day at Cannock chase staffs, few years back , and it was in jan had been snowing few days before , and some of the ground was hard . just mooching about , went to this field , the gate was 1/2 open , the bottom of the gate was wedged solid in to the floor, where mud/water had frozen it, they no way could move it, to close or open , it was stuck fast, me and a mate couldn't not move it no way. Anyway the dogs were just mooching about in front, when they knocked these red hinds up, they ran down the field a