socks 32,253 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 i have a terrier bitch that i bred from the chocolate pat i had (the punisher) put back over a border bitch that didnt quite make the grade as a digging dog .... the pups were bred and advertised to be bushing dogs and all through her early life i discouraged her from going to ground as i only wanted her for flushing game for the lurchers ..... for 5 years this had been great and she hasnt even looked sideways at an earth .... UNTILL recently .... took her for a walk on a freezing january morning and as we walked past a small copse she took off and started yapping ... my instant thought and the lurchers was there were roe in there so i called tegan in as the ground was rock hard and waited for the roe to bolt with a daft terrier on its heels trying to keep up .... and i waited and i waited nothing .... after about and hour and a half of walking up and down the copse and calling i see the bitch emerge at the top end of the wood line .... i called her she looked at me and then turned and whent back into the wood another hour passed of me calling swearing and threatening untill she finally came out and i managed to grab her .... well she wasnt a pretty sight and it took me a good hour to patch her up and get her sorted .... i hopped that would have taught her a lesson and it would be the first and last time that would happen ... but in the back of my mind i knew half her fathers genes were running through her ...... well took her out for a walk with the other dogs last night as she had just about healed up .... they were working the cover crop and had pushed a hare or two out and a few pheseants .... when we got to the end there was no terrier so i back tracked and tried to find her .... 2 hours later i finally found the set which was right at the bottom of the cover crop which is about the size of 3 rugby fields there was no sound but loads of bumping (just like her father) after calling and calling and swearing and threatening she shows for a second and i just managed to grab the tip of her tail as she turned to go back down ....... another hour patching her up last night and trying to get her bottom lip to look like it did for the last 5 years ..... she is sat opposite me on a chair looking very swollen and sorry for her self this morning but i know that if i took her out now she would do the same again ...... just goes to show that no amount of training can stop whats there .... nature and genetics will win every time............ Quote Link to post
Malt 379 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 True enough Socks. I've got a feck of a job stopping my little JRT going to ground, her parents are a farm dog, and a dog that's used for beating, but her grandfather on her dams side is a 100% earthdog. I'm finding it frustrating taking her ferreting now, because if the rabbit holes are on the large side, she's gone unless I'm quick. I've had a few close calls with other types of earth too, but it's only a matter of time until she goes somewhere where she's not meant to. Quote Link to post
Guest Countryboyo Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 i have a terrier bitch that i bred from the chocolate pat i had (the punisher) put back over a border bitch that didnt quite make the grade as a digging dog .... the pups were bred and advertised to be bushing dogs and all through her early life i discouraged her from going to ground as i only wanted her for flushing game for the lurchers ..... for 5 years this had been great and she hasnt even looked sideways at an earth .... UNTILL recently .... took her for a walk on a freezing january morning and as we walked past a small copse she took off and started yapping ... my instant thought and the lurchers was there were roe in there so i called tegan in as the ground was rock hard and waited for the roe to bolt with a daft terrier on its heels trying to keep up .... and i waited and i waited nothing .... after about and hour and a half of walking up and down the copse and calling i see the bitch emerge at the top end of the wood line .... i called her she looked at me and then turned and whent back into the wood another hour passed of me calling swearing and threatening untill she finally came out and i managed to grab her .... well she wasnt a pretty sight and it took me a good hour to patch her up and get her sorted .... i hopped that would have taught her a lesson and it would be the first and last time that would happen ... but in the back of my mind i knew half her fathers genes were running through her ...... well took her out for a walk with the other dogs last night as she had just about healed up .... they were working the cover crop and had pushed a hare or two out and a few pheseants .... when we got to the end there was no terrier so i back tracked and tried to find her .... 2 hours later i finally found the set which was right at the bottom of the cover crop which is about the size of 3 rugby fields there was no sound but loads of bumping (just like her father) after calling and calling and swearing and threatening she shows for a second and i just managed to grab the tip of her tail as she turned to go back down ....... another hour patching her up last night and trying to get her bottom lip to look like it did for the last 5 years ..... she is sat opposite me on a chair looking very swollen and sorry for her self this morning but i know that if i took her out now she would do the same again ...... just goes to show that no amount of training can stop whats there .... nature and genetics will win every time............ Exact same problem with my russell I have for bushing. he hasnt realy got marked up too much from it yet just a few scrapes but the way hes going its only a matter of time. Im tempted to buy a locator and just give him his way. But at the same time seems a bit pointless at 6 years old. Are you going to put her instinct to good use or try get it out of her? Quote Link to post
Rabbit Hunter 6,613 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 It just goes to show what breeding does mate, seems funny how it's took five years for her 'prey drive' to show... Quote Link to post
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Looks like you're going to have to stop using her for bushing in areas where you don't know all that well mate. If she's flying to ground now without you wanting her too then I'm not sure what you're going to do to stop her. Any ideas from the more experienced terrier men on here? Quote Link to post
Guest GoneToGround1 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 its happened to me numerous times over the last few weeks, 1st time i lost my 2 bitches for 9 hours, second time on new permission i lost a bitch for half hour before deciding to dig 6 foot to her and a nice big vixen (i could see the old dig where the soil had sunk a bit) then on the same farm i lost 4 terriers hunting a hedge, 3 came out after a hour and the other 1 i had back after 5 days.....its something you wont get her out of mate im afraid those 3 times it happened to me is when iv hunted new land that i dont know, i doubt very much ill do that again, i recently bought the barryvox pulse kit and i think from now on my main earth bitch will be run with that on.....save alot of time and maybe a dogs life Quote Link to post
Dabhand 887 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 And all this time people spend trying to get young terriers working to ground, there's some out there trying to do the opposite , why don't you just get a spaniel , and leave terriers do what they have been bred to do EARTH WORK Quote Link to post
Guest Chip Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 is your punisher dog still about socks?he seemed to be going well for you for a time then never heard a mention again.. Quote Link to post
Guest ROUGH COATED Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 i have a terrier bitch that i bred from the chocolate pat i had (the punisher) put back over a border bitch that didnt quite make the grade as a digging dog .... the pups were bred and advertised to be bushing dogs and all through her early life i discouraged her from going to ground as i only wanted her for flushing game for the lurchers ..... for 5 years this had been great and she hasnt even looked sideways at an earth .... UNTILL recently .... took her for a walk on a freezing january morning and as we walked past a small copse she took off and started yapping ... my instant thought and the lurchers was there were roe in there so i called tegan in as the ground was rock hard and waited for the roe to bolt with a daft terrier on its heels trying to keep up .... and i waited and i waited nothing .... after about and hour and a half of walking up and down the copse and calling i see the bitch emerge at the top end of the wood line .... i called her she looked at me and then turned and whent back into the wood another hour passed of me calling swearing and threatening untill she finally came out and i managed to grab her .... well she wasnt a pretty sight and it took me a good hour to patch her up and get her sorted .... i hopped that would have taught her a lesson and it would be the first and last time that would happen ... but in the back of my mind i knew half her fathers genes were running through her ...... well took her out for a walk with the other dogs last night as she had just about healed up .... they were working the cover crop and had pushed a hare or two out and a few pheseants .... when we got to the end there was no terrier so i back tracked and tried to find her .... 2 hours later i finally found the set which was right at the bottom of the cover crop which is about the size of 3 rugby fields there was no sound but loads of bumping (just like her father) after calling and calling and swearing and threatening she shows for a second and i just managed to grab the tip of her tail as she turned to go back down ....... another hour patching her up last night and trying to get her bottom lip to look like it did for the last 5 years ..... she is sat opposite me on a chair looking very swollen and sorry for her self this morning but i know that if i took her out now she would do the same again ...... just goes to show that no amount of training can stop whats there .... nature and genetics will win every time............ Time to by a locator n collar all the best!! Quote Link to post
Guest GoneToGround1 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) And all this time people spend trying to get young terriers working to ground, there's some out there trying to do the opposite , why don't you just get a spaniel , and leave terriers do what they have been bred to do EARTH WORK mine are for both matey but i could do with a dog for earth work only.....think ill be waitiing aroound a few years for 1 they rare as feck Edited February 11, 2009 by GoneToGround1 Quote Link to post
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