If Rodenticides were banned.......???

[Guest jbswildlife]

the pest control ind is not a part of the countryman scene, you will agree how many times you heard this guy know's pest control he's a x gamey. that does not wash with me, pest control is a trade and a trade that is limited, which could be huge in the countryside as well as the comerical. we all try doing a good job wether it be pest control or wildlife management, know one likes insult and this is not what its about, but we must answer this question matt could you get to a level were you are the best within your company respected and well paid, and get paid off and get into the same position within another company who are looking for techs. my answer is no you could,nt you may work your arse of for one company but cheap labour in another is what they require.

[TOMO 28,626]

No I don't believe pest control could manage without rodenticides. They might be more fun but traps aren't up to the job of vermin control alone.

HOW DID THEY DO IT THEN BEFORE POSIONS, IT WORKED THEN. i think talon was asking to see if today could match the old days. and the answer is no because the laws and regulations and the multi nationals have now idea. why do we place posions all over the country multiple sites with no real traceablity.

 

 

befor poisions when was that , poision has been around as long as man first started trapping,

[Matt 160]

matt could you get to a level were you are the best within your company respected and well paid, and get paid off and get into the same position within another company who are looking for techs

 

I just have!

 

I accepted a new position of 'General Manager' after three months of negotiation.

 

That is not the point of this topic though, is it?

 

The original question asked was "could pest control manage without poisons?" Well, the industry will now have to learn to manage without them so much because of DR59.....

[Guest jbswildlife]

i knew a guy that turned out to be my mentor when I was 11 he could take rats out of bales with his hands. multi nationals need posions the one man teams do not. and if they do ban posions and make me millions

[Guest jbswildlife]

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disagree chalky, if we reliy on posions we are dumb. does a whippet man think a shotgun is the answer and cant catch a rabbit on the run without a shotgun.

[Fidgety 8]

DR59 ? ... a new ficam duster?

[Guest jbswildlife]

DR59 ? ... a new ficam duster?

bring back matt, is the above this all we have

[Matt 160]

disagree chalky, if we reliy on posions we are dumb. does a whippet man think a shotgun is the answer and cant catch a rabbit on the run without a shotgun.

 

Sorry Joe, but that is bollocks.

 

To suggest that anyone who cannot control a rat infestation without using poisons is naive. To suggest that those who use poison are somehow inferior to you is arrogant.

 

I use all available methods, and have spent most of the last twenty years specialising in wildlife management. There is no way that you could get control of the majority of infestations without using poisoned baits. That is not to suggest that traps and snares do not have their place in the armoury, but to rely on them exclusively would increase the risk to public health.

 

Turn the clock back a hundred years and think about how our nineteenth century contemporaries controlled rat infestations... sure, they used gins, and ferrets, and terriers and snares, but they got real control using arsnic and strychnine...

 

It's only the last 54 years that have really changed things with the invention of anticoagulants. The times when these products were considered 'wonder products' is long gone.

 

The key to good bait take is placement and product choice. To achieve that, field craft is vital. That is why I always employed former keepers and countrymen given the choice - theirs is generally more advanced.

 

Oh, yes, and for the record, Strychnine and Cymag were not withdrawn because they were dangerous, but because the data package required to put them through the biocides directive was too expensive for products with such a low volume of sales.

[Matt 160]

DR59 ? ... a new ficam duster?

 

No, its a new set of label restrictions for the statutory box on rodenticide labels.

 

In simple terms, it will prevent the long term use of a/c rodenticide baits as a precaution in permanent external bait boxes.

 

The industry has made a fortune out of selling what is known as a 'first line of defence' in the form of perimeter bait stations which are checked on a regular basis - this has also led to a new breed of pest controller who cannot recognise rodent activity unless it is in the form of bait take - now all those companies are wondering what the hell they do with all those boxes if you can't bait them.

 

The main problem is that the easiest way to sell a pest control contract is to convince the client that they need external boxes which will be checked on a regular basis. Now customers think that is all they pay for.

 

How can you keep contracts if all you do is check bait boxes, and those bait boxes will not be able to contain bait? Well, one option is to use non toxic bait - but why feed rats - another is to leave the boxes empty and in situ until needed.

 

The quality companies, will continue to sell quality inspection and treatment where necessary....

[Guest jbswildlife]

im sorry to get peoples back up here, but dont care. i spend my time killing rat infeastations in areas were failures have occured. talon has been brought in in several issues with rabbits that has been bringing contracts into termanations. and i can say, that what we do is differ from the the portfolio that most pc do. But saying that we have done it being involved with the backstabing frustrating world of holdback experiance pest control. ok if you want to be a bio. i was brought up in ireland (now in scotland) at my younger years was doing island clearances and rabbit knockdowns. we deal with major infestations and sometimews i do a windup with yous( sorry for that) ilove being in the field and have continued to promote people like that matt. if i was matts boss he would be further in his career than he imagined, matt go on your own. pest control is about adcvice. if done it talon done it foxforce1 done it. we all do conservation as well as control. carbon foot prints and due diliage is the way we do things . anyway if finished with this, matt has kept up and i understand him, pm me matt with your email got a book for you to look over and input

[stubby 175]

YOU MAY WORK FOR A GOOD TEAM STUBBY AND GOOD ON YOU, BUT IF YOU LOST YOUR JOB AND WANTED TO GET BACK INTO IT, I DOUBT YOU WOULD GET THE CHANCE OVER LOWER PAYER EMPLOYEES. THATS ALL IM SAYING, THE WELL TRAINED AND KEEN ONES ARE COMPETING AGAINST ANYONE EXPERIANCE OR NOT.

 

your quite right mate, if I were to go for a normal 9 till 5 pestie job, the beauty of working nights, sub contracted to london underground, is the amount of underground certification you need, to get working on platforms and tracks of a night, its crazy, but with the amount of certification I have, that my firm payed for, I could in fact, get a better payed job, but in a different line of work, on the underground nights/contractors, but as pest control becomes a way of life, rather than just a job, I stick with it

[Fidgety 8]

Thanks for that Matt, knew it wasnt a duster, but didnt know it was known as DR59.

[Matt 160]

im sorry to get peoples back up here, but dont care. i spend my time killing rat infeastations in areas were failures have occured. talon has been brought in in several issues with rabbits that has been bringing contracts into termanations. and i can say, that what we do is differ from the the portfolio that most pc do. But saying that we have done it being involved with the backstabing frustrating world of holdback experiance pest control. ok if you want to be a bio. i was brought up in ireland (now in scotland) at my younger years was doing island clearances and rabbit knockdowns. we deal with major infestations and sometimews i do a windup with yous( sorry for that) ilove being in the field and have continued to promote people like that matt. if i was matts boss he would be further in his career than he imagined, matt go on your own. pest control is about adcvice. if done it talon done it foxforce1 done it. we all do conservation as well as control. carbon foot prints and due diliage is the way we do things . anyway if finished with this, matt has kept up and i understand him, pm me matt with your email got a book for you to look over and input

 

 

: C'mon matey peeps,..no need to appologise,...you've certainly not got any-one's back's up..

We are all here to learn from one another,....and 'wind up's on websites,..are commonplace...

 

Nice to hear of your past work record, rabbiting in Scotland,...it sounds interesting..

 

I've also hunted the rabbits in the Far North,..but,.my rural workload today is of a vastly different nature to back then..

 

Personaly,..I think we are all just trying to get through life the best way we can....

 

All the best,.CHALKWARREN...

 

 

[heart of wales 19]

Iam fortunate enough to own my company after working and managing two of the largest

 

I don't remember you managing when you were with us A? You were a surveyor who wanted to be a trainer if I remember correctly? Why bullshit?

 

 

 

I think people still think of national big companies like they were twenty years ago. Most of the top five companies now offer ferreting as a service, and regularly use traps.

 

 

Matt

I hope you were joking when you called me a bullshitter I had as you well know several posts with Cannon Rentokil technican trainer supervisor surveyor sales trainer sales manager

Cannon I started as a technicain self employed then never was a surveyor training manager when Colin Lowton started he made me National training manager

Call me a bullshitter or liar on here again and I will personally come and meet you with my confirmation letter from Cannon and training records from rentokil

[john b 38]

Matt

I hope you were joking .....

 

I hadn't spotted that but you've had your 'right of reply' now. No more about it on this topic now please you two - take it to PM if you must.