dicehorn 38 Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 I think you'll do well with the HMR up there John, be a relief to have virtually non-existent ricochets, the ballistic tips are so frangible and light, just so much safer up there with you. SS On the matter of 'virtually non existent' ricochets, I would just like to say that a friend had an HMR .17 and I clearly remember when a target was put out to 175 yards, out of 15 shots (to establish the hold over) we both heard it ricochet 3 times. I believe the reason for this was that at that range the ballistic tipped bullet looses much of its energy and therefore no longer become frangible Quote Link to post
Guest JohnGalway Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 I've heard HMR ricochet (about 70 yards I think) I've heard .223 ricochet (200 yards) But .22lr does extract the urine ever so slightly shading it in the ricochet stakes. As you say SS, there were rushes and soft ground, plenty of stones too though often slightly under the surface so a good safe looking site often results in zinnnnngggggg. Anymore now I just bring it out to specific places to do specific jobs, I don't think of it as a carry around rifle anymore which is a shame. Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Every round can ricochet, the HMR is no exception, but if you were trying to shoot a 22LR the same as you tried to shoot a HMR (ignoring the obvious differences) it would be pinging off perhaps 1 in 3 shots? HMR doesn't do it with anywhere near as frightful regularity as an LR. I've heard my own ricochet, when we had all of the water this summer, I missed a Crow (rifle knocked off Zero) and it ricocheted off the water. Also heard my .222 ricochet when testing it on paper at 200 yards. Can happen, but I wouldn't like to guess at the ratio of LR ricochets compared to the HMR or other frangible Ballistic rounds. I think it would be frightening to see such figures!! SS Quote Link to post
Fidgety 8 Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 ...oh dear, i feel the need to buy an HMR now ......... Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 I don't get worried about 22LR ricochets. You grab yourself a safe background and shoot the damn thing. You will get the odd ricochet, it's par for the course. People have been shooting this round for 100-odd years, very very few issues from ricochets. Mostly they lose a lot of energy in the ricochet, and if your background was safe you should be OK. As deker said, due diligence is the key. For years people have this, don't worry about it because there was nothing else. HMR is a great round and it is definitely safer in some circumstances (although, HM2 anyone, close range and low power, without the ricochet). But 22LR has a lot going for it, I enjoy shooting it now and then. And... I have a Ruger 10/22 and it gets used in the field. I love it because if I miss and the rabbit sits there, I can fire again and my head hasn't moved. Buys me that second shot a lot of the time. I shoot it standing a lot, which helps the ricochet because of the angle, and I use a low power on the scope as a consequence. I can see plenty, I can judge whether a shot is still safe. AND, before I take the first one I know the backstops as the rabbit could run, so I am prepared. Do I machine gun a field? No! But I might fire a few safe shots, much easier than with a bolt gun. Quote Link to post
artic 595 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 i bet this ones going to make me bloody popular 22lr is the most under rated and dangerous round ever made,youve got a 40g bullet travelling at low velocity which then dosnt have the power to disintagrate on impact,i hate the bloody things how more people arnt killed or injured each year i will never know.....and i think that semi auto 22lr's have no place in the hunting field..i have been out with so many lads that machine gun the field when they miss with the first shot.mach2 or 17hmr are far more safe...BUT any rifle in the hands of a tit is dangerous...... if you are using a 10/22 in the field it will take great disiplin and and self control to be safe with one.......this is from memory so may not be 100%......40g bullit in free fall makes 11ftp of energy on impact and a 17g (hmr) will do 4ftp... Why not the semi auto's "Woz"? I find it much easier as i dont have to take my eye away from the scope if i miss, also my breathing remains the same, and i can keep my eye in. Used sensible they are a fine tool of the trade. If your "lads" are "Machine Gunning" the fields (Trigger Happy) then they should not have a rifle in their posession, or they should learn to respect their rifle, people who they are with and the surroundings that they are shooting in. Oh and yes you are popular writting off the semi's in the "Hunting Field" youve just answered your own question!!! and by what you have just put up you shouldnt have a semi auto in the field..quote.."i find it much easier as i dont have to take my eye off the scope" your field of vision is very smal looking through a scope and your depth perseption is even more limited!!!! if the rabbit moves just a few feet when you miss everything changes and looking through a scope does not give you enough of a veiw to make an informed desision to pull the trigger a second time......i have had alot to do with semi auto's,i have a semi 22 which is used for pp1 and pp2 and also a remi shot gun which is used for practical shot gun compitition...out of all the shooters iv ever met i have never met one that would admit to either being a bad or dangerous shot...... Ok Woz once again your "RIGHT" Your the man! Quote Link to post
Gabriel 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Yorksjt, I don't want to teach you to suck eggs, but have a word with your mates. They appear to have no respect for the guns they carry. It really doesn't matter whether what you shoot with: air rifle, shotgun, rim or centre. The instant you let complacency take over is when you're quickly in a whole heap of trouble. to quote Deker... "You should in principle NEVER shoot any rifle in an Upward direction!" Quote Link to post
danebrewer10 6 Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Hello I am wanting opinions on the use of .22 rimfires please. I have a Ruger 10/22 and consider myself to be safe but sometimes over cautions with its use compared to others, I have owned one for about ten years and have shot with other people that have used one for much longer than me. This is because I know the bullets are liable to ricochet. I also don't shoot without a back drop but I know others use them for shooting birds and squirrels from trees, these bullets arc and have to stop somewhere! Also are there any bullets available with less chance of ricochets such as ballist tips like those on centre fires and even the .177. Thanks shooting squirrels from trees with a .22? nooooot a good idea. I'm applying for a .17 HMR which i feel is safer than a .22 as the bullets are frangible like a centerfire, (apart from cast pistol and .45-70 bullets) so will fragment when they hit something, and are more resistant to ricocheting. I just reckon that with a .22 on a frosty day or hard clay, you shoot at a rabbit, the bullet passes through and peeeoooowwww! rick- ochet! I'd never shoot into trees with anything other than an air rifle, possibly i might if the tree was below me and i was shooting into a hollow, but never at any other time. but nope, you're 100% safe. as long as you keep an eye out for where your muzzle is pointing at all times, and never at anyone, then I'd feel safe! Quote Link to post
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