cull or not to cull .. debate

[Guest jojoamojo]

its a tough one for me on one hand imaging a ferret going to a rescue posibly through the arse pcs no animal of mine deserves those scum infested people

 

what a mature young man you are kill it rather than send it to a rescue centre,

 

thats like killing horrible teenagers rather than putting them in care

[Malt 379]

its a tough one for me on one hand imaging a ferret going to a rescue posibly through the arse pcs no animal of mine deserves those scum infested people

 

what a mature young man you are kill it rather than send it to a rescue centre,

 

thats like killing horrible teenagers rather than putting them in care

Why do you keep likening ferrets to people? Sure they are precious, but you talk some crap fair play to you. You obviously know a lot about ferrets, but then you pop up with shite like that.

[Kay 3,709]

its a tough one for me on one hand imaging a ferret going to a rescue posibly through the arse pcs no animal of mine deserves those scum infested people

 

what a mature young man you are kill it rather than send it to a rescue centre,

 

thats like killing horrible teenagers rather than putting them in care

Why do you keep likening ferrets to people? Sure they are precious, but you talk some crap fair play to you. You obviously know a lot about ferrets, but then you pop up with shite like that.

 

You wont have a reasonable debate without people getting over sensitive regarding ferrets & culling , its life , it happen we choose to sweep it under the carpet , like lots off other things

[Kay 3,709]

well atleast id know it was going to die happy with me rather then get passed about in foriege surroundings giving it scares and frightening it to the point of death

A valid point Will the amount off kits who have been moved from one place to another is high , then they wonder why there behaviour needs some work when they finally find a decent home

[sue 1]

Every year my ferret's breed and every year i will cull the surpless to requirment's.. i will keep what i want and remove the rest.

 

It's each to there own at the end of the day but i dont see a problem in humanly disspatching the kit's as soon as they are born with a sharp knock on the head..as it's much better than them going to some low life and slowly starving to death once they have lost interest in them.. which i have witnessed quite a lot of over the year's mainly with young lad's who start of with all good intention's but once they find out what there nob is for all the ferret care goes out the window....

Millet

 

 

couldnt agree more well said

[Kay 3,709]

My thoughts are that you assume you'll get 10 kits and arrange owners accordingly.

 

If you get fewer than that, someone is disappointed. Tough.

 

If it's too many for you, then get together with a few mates. If your workers are any good (and your mates believe that working ability is inherited) then I don't see a problem.

 

Breeding too many and killing the excess just plays into the pet-owners' 'all ferreters are evil' prejudices.

 

Trouble is dave people are all talk , '' yeah i will have a few of you'' then when you come to the point of moving the stock on they forget they said that 2 months earlier , i took 2 litters of 12 yrs ago because off that & i had 5 left a year later as no bugger wanted them as they were albino , very sad really, i got to the point were i wouldnt show people the coloured ones so i could give any albinos a chance off a home

[richie 1]

as youve asked for peoples opinions..

 

only a c u n t ! would "cull" their ferrets, doesnt matter how old in my eyes.

 

fair do, if you have a ferret that is uncontrolable & can never be taimed then its either a trip down the vets & pay a few quid or a quick humane despatch, but to breed, then kill "surplus stock".

 

 

a subject like this will only get peoples backs up !

 

 

This is meant to be a debate, & your thoughts were supposed to be about the subject of culling, not your personal views about people that disagree with you.

 

my thoughts were on the subject of culling, & my thoughts are personnal views, or did i miss something ?

 

 

rich

[Malt 379]

as youve asked for peoples opinions..

 

only a c u n t ! would "cull" their ferrets, doesnt matter how old in my eyes.

 

fair do, if you have a ferret that is uncontrolable & can never be taimed then its either a trip down the vets & pay a few quid or a quick humane despatch, but to breed, then kill "surplus stock".

 

 

a subject like this will only get peoples backs up !

 

 

This is meant to be a debate, & your thoughts were supposed to be about the subject of culling, not your personal views about people that disagree with you.

 

my thoughts were on the subject of culling, & my thoughts are personnal views, or did i miss something ?

 

 

rich

There is a difference;

 

'No, I don't agree with culling' & 'Only c**ts cull'

 

Can you spot the difference?

[richie 1]

as youve asked for peoples opinions..

 

only a c u n t ! would "cull" their ferrets, doesnt matter how old in my eyes.

 

fair do, if you have a ferret that is uncontrolable & can never be taimed then its either a trip down the vets & pay a few quid or a quick humane despatch, but to breed, then kill "surplus stock".

 

 

a subject like this will only get peoples backs up !

 

 

This is meant to be a debate, & your thoughts were supposed to be about the subject of culling, not your personal views about people that disagree with you.

 

my thoughts were on the subject of culling, & my thoughts are personnal views, or did i miss something ?

 

 

rich

There is a difference;

 

'No, I don't agree with culling' & 'Only c**ts cull'

 

Can you spot the difference?

 

listen, i dont want to turn this so-called debate into a heated argument, but if i feel strongly about something ill voice my opinions in which ever way i want.

 

you have your views & i have mine, or am i been surpressed !

 

end of the day, ill do what i do & the rest can do what they do .

[droid 11]

Every year my ferret's breed and every year i will cull the surpless to requirment's.. i will keep what i want and remove the rest.

 

It's each to there own at the end of the day but i dont see a problem in humanly disspatching the kit's as soon as they are born with a sharp knock on the head..as it's much better than them going to some low life and slowly starving to death once they have lost interest in them.. which i have witnessed quite a lot of over the year's mainly with young lad's who start of with all good intention's but once they find out what there nob is for all the ferret care goes out the window....

Millet

 

No.

 

Every year you allow your ferrets to breed.

 

Ever thought of skipping a year or two? Or is there some technical reason why that's not possible, like being too tight to invest in a vas hob?

 

Point taken about feckless teenagers, but the responsibility for the kits being there in the first place is yours and yours alone.

[droid 11]

Then you're an idiot.

 

As I said earlier, attitudes like yours just fuel the prejudices of 'pet ferret' owners.

 

thanks for the reply droid and i see you have kept it a friendly debate lol , i dont care what pet owners think as i have breed for working stock , one thing you will notice is that i dont follow the band or because the internet says so.

 

you say 'fuel the prejudices of pet owners' and i would say 'fuel the prejudices of anti's' aswell , i think you dont quite understand that im not the only one who has these views .

 

so what would you say to the lad who has worked dogs all his life and wants to keep a line of dogs to himself , lets say he breeds bullcross's and he lost a dog in the season and he wants to replace it , he has 6 and culls 5 once he has chosen the pick . would you call him an idiot aswell ?

 

i heard on the news a couple of days ago that due to the credit crunch people are throwing out pets left right and centre , now this has probably come from the rspca ( so probably is over blown b/s ) but why add to the problem .

 

there are more animals then ever living in rescues and i for one will not add to them numbers.

 

infact droid you post has upset me somewhat , is there anything you need to tell the forum ?

 

Culling goes on but people choose to stick there head in the sand rather than meet it head on and discuss it like adults, its life simple as that really

 

thank you kay for understanding the point of the thread

 

That was me being friendly....

You make some good points. Culling does fuel the 'anti's' as well as the pet owners, and that is probably more serious. The antis have successfully had hunting with dog banned, at least as far as the law goes ( ). This was in the face of some pretty influential opposition. Who do you think they'll have a go at next?

Because they sure as hell ain't gonna retire to The Guardian and carpet slippers.

Angling is a possibility, but that's a major pastime, both numerically and economically. Ban angling and Reddich becomes a Ghost Town....

So what's next? If it's ferreting then you guys have a problem, unless you are all as tough as you like to make out.

Practices like overbreeding and 'culling/killing the excess' give the barmy buggers the excuse they need. Sure, you might be 'hard', but these fookers don't piss about and they are organised and in numbers.

 

Ferreting is part of country life.

My Saturday dinners as a kid arrived on Friday, fur on, courtesy of the local ferreter. That wasn't 20 years ago, it was more like 40.

But times change, and if ferreters don't clean up their act then it won't be here 40 years from now, and thoughtless 'overbreed and kill' attitudes will help it's demise.

 

Personally I prefer the word 'idiot' to cnut, because cnuts are bad, idiots merely thoughtless.

Now, BRB, you can assume I'm an 'anti' under a thin disguise if that helps you cope with my opinions, you'd be wrong, but if it helps.....

But you did ask for 'views'

Edited May 24, 2008 by droid

[socks 32,253]

this is what happens when non hunting types are allowed on the internet ... i havnt read all the pages i didnt have to i can get the jist of the thread from this page alone .... this namby pamby cotton wool sentimentality has no place on a hunting site and neither dot he type of people that condone it ... go and find yourself a fluffy little site where you can dress up your ferrets feed them on dry shit and watch them die of obesety and and a hiost of other weaknesses that your type will inflict on them ...

 

as for culling well its a fact of life that it has to happen ... there is no point in keeping any more ferrets than you need from the pitter to be passed around and given a life of misery at the hands of idiots ....

 

we are talking about a newborn that has no real brain pattern if you take a newborn puppy for instance they have no control of their body temperature they are blind and deaf and act on instinct to suckle rather than a nuerological response ... there is also virtually no myelination at birth which means that the nerves transmits impulses at around 2 meters per second in relation to a large fully myelinated nerve fibre which transmites impulses at 120 meters per second ... so if you needed to dispatch a puppy then they would almost certainly not feel a thing .....

 

the same brainwave pattern is found in almost all mammals some develope quicker than other dependent on size ... but my point is it is safe to say that a newborn kit hours old has only the basic brain activity to let it find its mother and suckle .....

 

a kit being culled at this age will have no memories no perception of life and will not feel a thing ......

[droid 11]

Read my posts, socks.

 

Like ALL of the posts not just the bits you fancy arguing with.

 

Then THINK...not all the people arguing against culling are 'namby pamby cotton wool sentimentalists'. Maybe it's that we're not all 'extreme hunters' that upsets you?

 

The argument 'it's always been thus' cuts no ice with me. Things change, and not adressing issues like this will lead to problems.

 

 

For the record, I havent said I'm opposed to culling per se.

I am opposed to preventable culling. Culling done because the culler overbreeds through thoughtlessness, lack of planning or just plain stupidity.

 

And full respect to those who can debate this without accusing those who have a contrary view of being 'antis' or 'bunny-huggers'....

Even more respect to the Forum for allowing a debate like this. It's an uncomfortable subject to anyone that thinks, whether you're 'for' or 'against'.

Edited May 24, 2008 by droid

[socks 32,253]

Read my posts, socks.

 

Like ALL of the posts not just the bits you fancy arguing with.

 

Then THINK...not all the people arguing against culling are 'namby pamby cotton wool sentimentalists'. Maybe it's that we're not all 'extreme hunters' that upsets you?

 

The argument 'it's always been thus' cuts no ice with me. Things change, and not adressing issues like this will lead to problems.

 

 

For the record, I havent said I'm opposed to culling per se.

I am opposed to preventable culling. Culling done because the culler overbreeds through thoughtlessness, lack of planning or just plain stupidity.

 

And full respect to those who can debate this without accusing those who have a contrary view of being 'antis' or 'bunny-huggers'....

Even more respect to the Forum for allowing a debate like this. It's an uncomfortable subject to anyone that thinks, whether you're 'for' or 'against'.

 

where have said i was refering to YOU ? your a little paranoid there mate .... i dont need to read all the posts to get the jist of the arguement its as plain as the nose on my face .....

 

i understand where you are coming from with preventative measures etc .... BUT i needed to breed 2 jills this year as they coming up to 6 ish and therefore dont have many seasons left in them and so i need young fresh blood to take over hence the reason for breeding them this year ....

 

i am breeding purely for myself and the lads that i hunt for BUT what if i end up with to many kits am i supposed to bring them on only to sell them on for a piffly amount to people i know nothing about or would i be better culling the extra kits at birth and leaving the mother with an easily managable amount of kits that will grow strong and healthy and go to good working homes with people i know and trust .............

Edited May 24, 2008 by socks

[Guest bigredbusa]

well put across socks , i do have a problem of putting myself across thru a keyboard and your thinking is exactly what i mean .

 

i thinking calling people cu#$s for culling is a bit extreme as it does have a part when there are so many about .

 

now they are talking about culling badgers once more i wonder if they are cu#$s as well ? like what has been said it has been done for years and why should anyone be scared in talking about it ? it's not a 'hard' thing as droid has so many times mentioned but i think needs to be done.

 

now we have had both sides put an opinion across , the hunters and the non hunters and i am quite surprised of the mixed views of both

 

now if i posted a pic of a 3 day old ferret that had been knocked on the head or a baby rabbit that my ferret caught and i also knocked on the head would the anti-culling brigade's views still stay the same ??

 

fair play to stubby who keeps everything that he breeds but by the sounds of it has the space to do so but at the moment i have no need for no more then 4 or 5 ferts in my camp as i dont think i could possably work anymore but what workers i do have do the job grand , is this a bad thing to have the best workers?

 

 

as for this comment

 

Now, BRB, you can assume I'm an 'anti' under a thin disguise if that helps you cope with my opinions, you'd be wrong, but if it helps.....

But you did ask for 'views'

 

now looking at some of your posts i didnt realise you was a pet ferret only owner , now there is nothing wrong with that at all but now i see why your posts have a bit of 'anti' in them . ( not in bad way droid )