Puppy Litters & Rescue Lurchers

[dawnraider 2]

Uh,what on earth causes you imagine that I haven't ???

 

You seem to have no respect for this type of dog. If you have ever seen one working you would.

 

Anyways lads and lassies this topic has really become a tit for tat sort of thing. Perhaps if there is not anything more of real value to add, then we should leave it for a while and all cool down.

appologies for going off on one and losing the thread but people like that make my blood boil.anyway i have just taken on a failed racer (greyhound) and after seeing what can happen to them i dread to think what can happen to some of the unfortunate dogs that are not so much in the public eye.two of the lurchers my father has had the pleasure of owning and working are amongst the best pets,workers and FRIENDS that i can remember and both were rescue,i think these people do an excellent job in providing some sort of hope for what is supposed to be mans best friend,i dont see why we cant return that friendship.

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

Uh,what on earth causes you imagine that I haven't ???

 

You seem to have no respect for this type of dog. If you have ever seen one working you would.

 

Anyways lads and lassies this topic has really become a tit for tat sort of thing. Perhaps if there is not anything more of real value to add, then we should leave it for a while and all cool down.

appologies for going off on one and losing the thread but people like that make my blood boil.anyway i have just taken on a failed racer (greyhound) and after seeing what can happen to them i dread to think what can happen to some of the unfortunate dogs that are not so much in the public eye.two of the lurchers my father has had the pleasure of owning and working are amongst the best pets,workers and FRIENDS that i can remember and both were rescue,i think these people do an excellent job in providing some sort of hope for what is supposed to be mans best friend,i dont see why we cant return that friendship.

 

No need to apologise, see just now you have made a helpfull contribution to the discussion.

[dawnraider 2]

Uh,what on earth causes you imagine that I haven't ???

 

You seem to have no respect for this type of dog. If you have ever seen one working you would.

 

Anyways lads and lassies this topic has really become a tit for tat sort of thing. Perhaps if there is not anything more of real value to add, then we should leave it for a while and all cool down.

appologies for going off on one and losing the thread but people like that make my blood boil.anyway i have just taken on a failed racer (greyhound) and after seeing what can happen to them i dread to think what can happen to some of the unfortunate dogs that are not so much in the public eye.two of the lurchers my father has had the pleasure of owning and working are amongst the best pets,workers and FRIENDS that i can remember and both were rescue,i think these people do an excellent job in providing some sort of hope for what is supposed to be mans best friend,i dont see why we cant return that friendship.

 

No need to apologise, see just now you have made a helpfull contribution to the discussion.

cheers we must be off our heads look at the time :lazy:

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

You guys, our Kate the Trout is sat at her computer with her pot and spoon, stirring away and having a giggle at us for getting wound up. Leave her to her ridiculous ideas, she's not worth our :stinker: . We can all see how wrong, backwards, ignorant and superior she is - let's just leave her to it

 

:wankerzo4:

[Scallywag 78]

Well OK but I was enjoying a bit of a scrap

[Meerihunter 7]

I really don't know what the answer is breeders being responsible for what the produce has to be the starting point, I've had one litter 0f 4 pups for which I will be responsible for the entirety I'm always going be available to help with any issues relating to them whether its just advise or to them take back for whatever reason.

 

If every breeder was responsible for what the produced there would be no problem, even being available to give advise at times of difficulty can mean the difference between the owner keeping the dog rather than getting rid off.

 

I've had 2 rescue Salukis (I still one) both neglected and abused, the one I still have was rehomed by a rescue only for him to bite the teenage daughter and ending up in rescue again and was to be PTS without question until I got involved but that another story. Anyway both totally and utterly bonded to me (most rescues will form bonds due to the neglect and abuse they have endured in the passed given some TLC). Both were excellent hunters they both worked as well as my dogs from I've pup, but you have to be prepared to give them the time they need to learn just as you would need to with any pup. I will that the reward in seeing a dog go from a beaten, neglected, characterless empty shells of dogs to strong, fit, bold, loyal, hunters and companions is priceless.

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

Well OK but I was enjoying a bit of a scrap

 

Well by all means SW, you're smarter and more eloquent than the old Trout - carry on

[6pack 60]

Well OK but I was enjoying a bit of a scrap

 

Well by all means SW, you're smarter and more eloquent than the old Trout - carry on

 

Yeah! Come on Scally. I brought a bigger, better - heavier handbag to play with

[Scallywag 78]

You two are BAD. Anyway, I've had a much better day whelping pups

[Guest chook]

Well I'll have to take your word for how the rescues in the US work Kate. There are some people with similar attitudes over here but not many and none of the rescues I'm involved with give a toss about those things. In fact recently a rescue I know held back on rehoming a dog with someone because their current dog was unfit and overweight.

And I KNOW it's about the breeders interpretation. That's why I said KC and breeders between them, I think it's a joint effort.

And you're right, not everyone works lurchers and terriers but many do and now you're just nit picking. In fact your entire last post was a bit sloppy - running out of steam, or arguments, or both?

 

 

 

Ahem....Not *everybody* hunts/works mutts/mongrels!

 

Sorry but yes you do,

Norwich Terrier History

 

 

The roots of the Norwich were firmly planted in East Anglia, England. By the 1880's owning a small ratting terrier was a fad among the sporting undergraduates of Cambridge University. A popular strain developed of very small red and black-and-tan working crossbreeds from native, Yorkshire, and Irish den stock.

 

By the turn of the century one of these Trumpington Terriers moved to a stable near the city of Norwich. "Rags" was sandy colored, short of leg, stocky with cropped ears. A notorious ratter and dominant sire, he is the modern breed's progenitor. For the next two decades various horsemen bred other game terrier types to Rags and his descendants, including a half-sized brindle Staffordshire. So, from companions and barnyard ratters, there gradually developed a line of excellent fox bolters, and one of these introduced the breed to America in 1914.

 

Bred in Market Harborough by the noted Frank "Roughrider" Jones, "Willum" became the inseparable companion of a Philadelphia sportsman, Robert Strawbridge. This Jones terrier was also low legged, cropped and docked but his very hard coat had black shadings and his head showed a marked resemblance to a Bull Terrier. Willum proved a charming, muscular 12-pound ambassador, and a prolific sire of M.E H. Hunt Terriers in Vermont, New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. He died at 14 years of age defending his hearth from a vicious canine intruder just a few years before the breed was recognized in England in 1932. Though the AKC made Norwich Terriers official in 1936, there are still some Americans who associate Norwich with Willum's breeder and steadfastly call them Jones Terriers.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/norwich_terrier/history.cfm

 

 

Just cause someone decided to line breed and the Kc decided to reconise's that breed, doesn't mean that they didn't descend from a mutt,

me thinks you need to learn about the breed you have got.

 

My rescue mutt and proud of it (lurcher) was given away, not cause she wouldn't work - no cause she would only bring

back live to hand, she was given away to people who live a few doors away from me, they then decided to lock her in an open kennel/run

let her sleep on flags, she was full of fleas and very underweight, there other dog a nice pretty staffy was indoors having pups so they could make some money,

shes been a fantastic dog, although she cant be worked due to having health problems, shes never disobeyed one command,

has 100% recall - even off a chase, and has been so easy to train, she will do anything i ask of her,

i am not ageist people breeding, christ my other mutts where born and bred hear, but i think people need to to take responsibility

for the litters they have bred, breeders should mark there litters eather with chip or tattoo,

so they can be contacted if one of there pups end up in rescue.

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

".......me thinks you need to learn about the breed you have got....."

 

 

 

 

 

I know that *you* need to understand proper selective breeding programs.

 

What a jerk

[6pack 60]

You two are BAD. Anyway, I've had a much better day whelping pups

 

OUCH!! Low blow

[6pack 60]

Is it ego replying to your own post?

Or the child wanting his cookies and having the last word

[Guest chook]

".......me thinks you need to learn about the breed you have got....."

 

 

 

 

 

I know that *you* need to understand proper selective breeding programs.

 

 

It's a bit more complicated than deciding to add raisins to an oatmeal cookie recipe.

 

 

What the hell is complicated about selective breeding ?

selective breeding is just that, you breed to remove the health,temperament or any other fault,

that you don't want, the hardest part is trying to remove the defective genes that you dont know are there,

and anyway selective breeding has got most of our purebreds in the shit they are in now,

eg the deerhound for example now needs to be liver shunt tested and factor V11 Deficiency,

the English bull dog has problems breathing and needs to have pups under c section,

the list go's on and on and on with different breeds and there problems,

there are people trying to eradicate some of the health problems that we see in some of the breeds,

but what has this got to do with the Norwich terrier deriving from a mutt,

back in years gone by people bred for the look, confamation and if it could do the work they wanted,

its only these last few years that people have realized that they need to breed dogs that have fewer health/temperament problems,

but there are still people who breed who couldn't give a flying fig about health, they just want that perfect show standed dog,

then theres the ones who just want money from there what they think is a perfect show dog.

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

You are completely wrong.

You either *can't* understand or *won't*.

Either way,it's useless to bother w/you.

 

Just what is it we're supposed to understand Kate? You've not done much other than poke people with your stick.

 

What a prat