Daniel cain 50,192 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 just had a leaflet through the door...The Welsh government ,have just announced they are providing £120 million,over the next 2 yrs,to go around making sure that the old coal/slag heaps are safe ...when it's the actual mine owners responsibility lol...these companies have made billions,worldwide over the yrs,so why waste this money??? when it could be put to use , elsewhere??? why are we bailing out the big corporations??? that's how f****d this country is...we should all stop our contributions until the government wake up,and start f***ing listening to the people Google Image Result for https://lookaside.fbsbx.com/lookaside/crawler/media/?media_id=1473684903878932 SHARE.GOOGLE 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 10,030 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 31 minutes ago, TOMO said: Come off it....we pay enough every single thing you buy or sell is taxed...not to mention all the other taxes.... The whole point of my argument is the rich don't pay their fair share. The whole system is rigged so we pay far more in proportion than they do. It's a crooked deck. There are better ways to do things. Let's see how the New York fella gets on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mitre 492 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 Just ignore it throw the leaflet away no one around the area I am from would be bothered the refugee familys would not understand they all non speaking English and all in bloody burkas and their kids are sizes of football teams and you see their in-laws coming all you notice is them celebrating they come off the airplanes or the bloody dingys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leegreen 2,319 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 2 hours ago, Bendigo said: I don't want to pay more tax to improve things. We pay enough, to the extent I don't feel like it's worth expanding my business at all. I'd rather they stop wasting the tax we are paying. so you think cuntries that pay high tax and have great public services are doing it all wrong? Obviously I'm not qualified to run a cuntry, but I know our health services are fecked, our policing system is fecked, our councils are rubbish. Too many people are claiming money for nothing. Feck the welfare state, if we didn't have it, all ya little brown friends, that keep getting washed up on our shores, they'd soon not wanna be here. They see all our fat lazy, anxious layabouts, making out they cant work and they think "I'll have summa that" Generation after generation claiming, whatever they can get, working the system. No wonder people wanna come here. If we got most people working then we probably wouldn't have to pay more tax. I'm with you, we should stop wasting the tax we are paying. I can't wait untill it al fecks up and we have to start eating people 4 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,837 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 10 hours ago, jukel123 said: I hadn't realised Russia was in the discussion. Where did that come from? They've been doing f***ing great since they rid themselves of their royalty and their tsars. Pity some of their royals came over as refugees and joined our public payroll. Still they keep the Germans and the Greek contingent company eh? Russians' living standards have improved beyond measure. A far cry from millions dying from starvation whilst the tsars partied. Same as the chinks. Once they got rid of the landlords they flourished. They too moved from starving peasants to a serious world leader with a scarily efficient, world dominant economy in two generations! You see what a stifling effect the obscenely parasitic rich have on countries? Can't beat communism to get people out of dire poverty . Shame a few million lives get wasted in the process. But hey, it's all for the greater good, although granted, it may not feel like it at the time.! Russia and China have first class health systems, including free dentistry. They don't pay for education or water. Quite civilised I reckon. Of course people ditch that ideological commie nonsense as soon as they possibly can. It was only ever a means to an end and as a political system doomed to failure. Sensible countries adopt the nordic model...free enterprise and high expenditure on public services which is paid for by high taxation. At the end of the day, you get what you pay in taxation back via world class services. And what price peace of mind knowing there are always enough, doctors, dentists and cops to take care of your family? Simples. Ok, let’s say your idea becomes reality…..who are you trusting with all this extra tax ? Because at the moment and for a long time now, the tax take is as high as it’s ever been and nothing is working ?…….so who are these people that are going to take this extra money and use it for your benefit ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,837 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 2 minutes ago, leegreen said: so you think cuntries that pay high tax and have great public services are doing it all wrong? Obviously I'm not qualified to run a cuntry, but I know our health services are fecked, our policing system is fecked, our councils are rubbish. Too many people are claiming money for nothing. Feck the welfare state, if we didn't have it, all ya little brown friends, that keep getting washed up on our shores, they'd soon not wanna be here. They see all our fat lazy, anxious layabouts, making out they cant work and they think "I'll have summa that" Generation after generation claiming, whatever they can get, working the system. No wonder people wanna come here. If we got most people working then we probably wouldn't have to pay more tax. I'm with you, we should stop wasting the tax we are paying. I can't wait untill it al fecks up and we have to start eating people This myth of the layabout, let’s have it right, Britain is rich enough to take care of its own and that would be a fraction of the cost of what it is now if it just did that. A mate of mines pal is getting laid to rest today, he was a paraplegic and his money was suspended because they said he could work ? Work at what ?…..earning enough to do what ? I’ve had this conversation a few times, like a bloke with the brains to be a fork lift driver will earn about £400 a week……what’s that pay for ? Nothing ! He can’t afford rent in the south or council tax or car charges, it’s not worth him doing over time because the tax man takes it all, it’s not worth him getting a job delivering Chinese in the evening because the tax man takes it and he gets nicked for not having commercial car insurance ! Like, this idea that “more government” is the answer to massive government is ludicrous !…….get off peoples back, get out of their pocket and then watch them thrive and then there really will be enough surplus to take care of our own people. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,837 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 1 hour ago, jukel123 said: The whole point of my argument is the rich don't pay their fair share. The whole system is rigged so we pay far more in proportion than they do. It's a crooked deck. There are better ways to do things. Let's see how the New York fella gets on. Who the f**k are “The rich” ?….whats the number ? What happens when the people in this imaginary bracket just f**k off to a place they ain’t getting over charged ? Who picks up the tab then ? Do we set a new number and make a new classification? What happens when they say “f**k this” ? Like you could charge them an exit tax (think about the wider implications to everyone with that, your effectively held prisoner under pain of penalty in your own country !!…it’s Orwellian as f**k !!) but that’s a one off payment, what happens when they have spunked that up the wall ? Like, it’s childish insane nonsense ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leegreen 2,319 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 23 minutes ago, WILF said: This myth of the layabout, let’s have it right, Britain is rich enough to take care of its own and that would be a fraction of the cost of what it is now if it just did that. I know enough ponces to know there are plenty of layabouts. I know people getting there mortgages paid. Nice new cars, holidays and while still earning a few quid here and there. All British white people too Then you've got the bad back posse, the claim up cnuts, anxious w*nkers, that can't go to work, just because. I also know people with legitimate ailments/problems/disabilities, but it doesn't stop them doing most things in life. It just gives them free licence to have a claim up and not work. I could go on... Don't tell me it's a myth, I know its not. What you are saying is, it's ok to free load if you are British? Britain is rich enough to take care of it's own, yes, if they "really" need taking care of. The ones I know don't. There's many things that could sort out our finances, but it doesn't give the free loaders the right, or make it right. We are a soft nation in many respects and people take the piss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,837 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 1 minute ago, leegreen said: I know enough ponces to know there are plenty of layabouts. I know people getting there mortgages paid. Nice new cars, holidays and while still earning a few quid here and there. All British white people too Then you've got the bad back posse, the claim up cnuts, anxious w*nkers, that can't go to work, just because. I also know people with legitimate ailments/problems/disabilities, but it doesn't stop them doing most things in life. It just gives them free licence to have a claim up and not work. I could go on... Don't tell me it's a myth, I know its not. What you are saying is, it's ok to free load if you are British? Britain is rich enough to take care of it's own, yes, if they "really" need taking care of. The ones I know don't. There's many things that could sort out our finances, but it doesn't give the free loaders the right, or make it right. We are a soft nation in many respects and people take the piss. Fair enough mate, I just think MOST people would graft if they were better off grafting…..as in, if your benefits lifestyle is worth a grand a week and you could earn and keep two grand by grafting then you’d graft. As it stands, the government is taking half that earned income so you are no better off working…..why the f**k would any sane average sort of wage person graft so that some official can take half and burn it ? Don’t make any sense….to me, and it is only an opinion, that is one of the real problems. The whole system is set up to keep people in poverty, it’s set up to make investment banks money and the politicians are their lackeys….the more they tax, the less you have, the more you rely on debt just to live a half decent life (be that mortgage debt, car debt, credit card debt) Cash rich people who can keep all what they are prepared to earn don’t need any of that so the banks don’t earn as much….. They create money by mortgage debt, it’s not real but we all pay it back in real money…..saying making ourselves even poorer via more tax just don’t fly….at any level and certainly not when you understand the scam we are living in. Anyone saying more tax is the answer just don’t have a basic grasp of the situation mate. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Halfhound 674 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 Lads I think the answer to the problems on both sides of the arguemnets ye have made comes down to pride. I grew up in a very poor and disadvantaged estate where nobody really had anything. I have memories of a different house on the road having a pot of porridge in the mornings and all the kids would land in there before school and get a taste, the church ran the schools and if you were poor you could forget about it they had no interest in teaching you anything, most jobs in the town were in two factories at the time that were owned by two families that are still very wealthy. They paid as little as they could get away with and viewed the people who worked for them as vermin. But people still had their pride women would be up cleaning what little they had nobody went around in pyjamas until mid day or lay in bed until lunchtime. Men reared their families as best they could and if a man wasn’t providing he would be looked on as a scab by everyone. In my opinion there is no worse handicap to any youngster than growing up without a father and I’m just basing that on what I’ve seen with my own two eyes I don’t want to offend anyone. I don’t know what the dole is now maybe a couple of hundred euro but it’s a drop in the ocean compared to a politicians weekly expenses I can’t see anyone getting rich or having any great quality of life if they are living on that alone. The people who can pay the most should pay the most wether that’s running the country or sitting at a bar that’s just how societies should work 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,837 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 5 minutes ago, Halfhound said: Lads I think the answer to the problems on both sides of the arguemnets ye have made comes down to pride. I grew up in a very poor and disadvantaged estate where nobody really had anything. I have memories of a different house on the road having a pot of porridge in the mornings and all the kids would land in there before school and get a taste, the church ran the schools and if you were poor you could forget about it they had no interest in teaching you anything, most jobs in the town were in two factories at the time that were owned by two families that are still very wealthy. They paid as little as they could get away with and viewed the people who worked for them as vermin. But people still had their pride women would be up cleaning what little they had nobody went around in pyjamas until mid day or lay in bed until lunchtime. Men reared their families as best they could and if a man wasn’t providing he would be looked on as a scab by everyone. In my opinion there is no worse handicap to any youngster than growing up without a father and I’m just basing that on what I’ve seen with my own two eyes I don’t want to offend anyone. I don’t know what the dole is now maybe a couple of hundred euro but it’s a drop in the ocean compared to a politicians weekly expenses I can’t see anyone getting rich or having any great quality of life if they are living on that alone. The people who can pay the most should pay the most wether that’s running the country or sitting at a bar that’s just how societies should work Decent post that mate. I think we have to accept the basic reality of there will always be inequality of some kind…..always has, always will. All we can do is create equal opportunity, at its most basic level that means getting out of peoples way and not punishing them for improving their circumstances. There will always be the factory owner and there will always be the factory worker……it’s been going on since ancient times when a “slave” would sell themselves to a master for a year. They were happy to be a slave because they were fed and clothed.…it was in some cases a privilege position with slaves selling themselves to the same master year after year. Not everyone is going to be on the same level, it’s shit but that’s reality….but I have a basic faith in human nature, if you allow people to do well they will spread it about a bit. Granted, you will always get a mean c**t but that will eventually pay its own wages just like the bad employer easily looses his best people and so it gos in life, if your a prick people desert you. Make it easy for people to desert if they have the desire, the idea and the energy…..that’s how I look at rhings. Forced charity is no charity at all, it just makes people resentful and mean (as we see when people talk about some poor c**t getting £200 sovs a week on the dole) but people who are allowed to keep their own money will spread it around if they have a surplus…..again, always have and always will. Saying the government know how to spend our money best and in fact should be given more is just a fantasy…..it hasn’t worked, it isn’t working and it never will work because it’s a scam ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,837 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 Let this sink in, in Britain the NHS is 75% MORE expensive than private healthcare for a 30 year old ! It’s about 50% MORE expensive for a 70 year old ! And it don’t f***ing work ! That is how much you can trust officials with more money ! Don’t take my word for it, do the numbers and look it up ! And by the way I’m being generous because my sums are based on 70 million people paying an equal amount of what the NHS costs weekly to run……. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Halfhound 674 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 At the end of the day it’s all down to accountability isn’t it. Instead of a minister for say health hoping they’ll improve things over 4 years and be remembered for good work they’ve done they prefer to give blank cheques out to people who f****d them over with the last cheque they got. And at the end of the day none of it matters to them because the pension will still be there at the end and that’s what it’s really all about isn’t it? Maybe performance based wages is the only way forward I doubt too many would be going to the jobs then Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,837 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Halfhound said: At the end of the day it’s all down to accountability isn’t it. Instead of a minister for say health hoping they’ll improve things over 4 years and be remembered for good work they’ve done they prefer to give blank cheques out to people who f****d them over with the last cheque they got. And at the end of the day none of it matters to them because the pension will still be there at the end and that’s what it’s really all about isn’t it? Maybe performance based wages is the only way forward I doubt too many would be going to the jobs then In a different reality you are bang on……but we don’t live in that reality ! Thats why saying “give them more money” is just a ridiculous thing to say….. They can’t burn it fast enough as it is mate, what makes anyone think they won’t just burn more ? Edited November 11 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Halfhound 674 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 25 minutes ago, WILF said: In a different reality you are bang on……but we don’t live in that reality ! Thats why saying “give them more money” is just a ridiculous thing to say….. They can’t burn it fast enough as it is mate, what makes anyone think they won’t just burn more ? You know what WILF your right f**k them all. First thing tomoro I’m putting rent up 30% for everyone and I want it in cash on the last Thursday of every month. I’ve attempted to try and be decent in the winter of my life and it just isn’t suiting me. Hopefully some of the c**ts try and test me so I can fire them out on the road a week before Christmas and maybe I’ll just make sure their cars disappear for good measure. I feel 20 years younger just writing this post. Thanks WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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