Mamdani

[Borr 8,346]

Seems like there might be a bit of an exodus from New York to Miami...

 

 

 

[TOMO 29,479]

Yeh seen a few political commentators talk about his appointment....

[Borr 8,346]

Death throes of the far left. Looks like we're going to be up against a green /liberal coalition, greens are advertising in Arabic in London asking labour supporters to jump ship to stop reform, the green leader is a fruit cake...Zack Polanski .

Got to say I'm liking Zia yusef .... Comes across well , tells it as it is...

 

[WILF 51,420]

At least Americans have the excuse of being thick as shit…..we don’t have any such excuse. 

[jukel123 9,974]

More  building of affordable housing, free transport, free chilcare, community owned shops to compete with the supermarkets and a rent freeze on greedy landlords... all to be paid by taxes on the super rich. Seems common  sense to me. Good luck to him and New Yorkers.

Trump has already embraced a class war. This project cannot be seen to succeed. He has already declared jihad on the city and is vindictively withholding government funding for no other reason than spite.

At the same time he has donated 40 billion dollars to his grossly incompetent right wing populist mate in Argentina, who carelessly  crashed the Argie economy.

26 billionaires threw 22 million dollars at getting a republican into power. But New Yorkers weren't fooled. The system isn't working for ordinary working people.

I suspect my opinion may not be the majority THL  opinion.

Edited Monday at 19:28 by jukel123

[WILF 51,420]

11 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

More  building of affordable housing, free transport, community owned shops to compete with the supermarkets and a rent freeze on greedy landlords... all to be paid by taxes on the super rich. Seems common  sense to me. Good luck to him and New Yorkers.

Trump has already embraced a class war. This project cannot be seen to succeed. He has already declared jihad on the city and is vindictively withholding government funding for no other reason than spite.

At the same time he has donated 40 billion dollars to his grossly incompetent right wing populist mate in Argentina, who carelessly  crashed the Argie economy.

I suspect my opinion may not be the majority THL  opinion.

Yeah, watch that common sense descend into even more of a piss hole than New York already is.

By the way, for the first time in decades, Argentinas economy isn’t a basket case…..go figure huh ! lol 

[jukel123 9,974]

22 minutes ago, WILF said:

Yeah, watch that common sense descend into even more of a piss hole than New York already is.

By the way, for the first time in decades, Argentinas economy isn’t a basket case…..go figure huh ! lol 

I was counting the minutes before you replied Wilf. Two minutes late ! Slacking on the job. Very surprised you disagreed with me about politics. Not like you mate.

Edited Monday at 19:50 by jukel123

[WILF 51,420]

48 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I was counting the minutes before you replied Wilf. Two minutes late ! Slacking on the job. Very surprised you disagreed with me about politics. Not like you mate.

It’s more an intervention than a reply mate ! lol 

By the way, can I ask, who are these “super rich” as you and many others keep euphemistically describing some entity or the other ?……I mean is there like a set number they have to have or earn ?….what is that number ? 
 

And in the case of New York (or anywhere else for that matter) you do realise that if they are indeed “super rich” they can just leave ?

Who picks up the tab then ?……any guesses ? I really want to know.

And let’s take New York, let say your man the Paki decides that Chase or Leaman brothers should take a big hit on all their city corporate taxes ?……what happens if they just say “Fine, we will relocate to Texas ?” 
Who picks up the tab then ?…….who employs all the 8000 or more redundant staff out of that building and from all the business that service them ? 
 

People just f**k off from these dreamworlds mate, at least people that matter do and all that’s left is the worker bees to pay for this dreamscape !

 

Edited Monday at 20:38 by WILF

[jukel123 9,974]

Oh f**k. Here we go again. Lol

The bottom 50% in America own 2.5% of the total wealth of the country. The top 10% own two thirds of the wealth. The top one percent own over 30% of the wealth. People at the bottom have no health care, hence the present shut down. Inequality in the states is getting worse. As is inequality in the UK.

America is a grossly unequal society. As its fawning little lapdog the UK. All our news looks toward America. Every mass shooting, every pronouncement of its chief fuckwit Trump and every fart of its phony  celebrities. Why ? Because the powers that be want us to emulate America. No safety net, a shit health service, under resourced schools,  obscene rent and mortgage rates and a  crumbling rail and road service. Yeeha! f***ing great for the super rich. They don't need to use any of those services and landlords love your money.

There is a better way as the nordic countries have shown us. World class education services, ditto  health services, cheap housing, lower crime and dignity all round. Oh and  no feudal field sport laws.

But the nordic model relies on higher taxation for everybody. Especially the rich. And you know what they don't f****n mind! Because they can use the public services knowing they are first class, they don't have to trip over the homeless and they  can walk down a dark street without fear of being mugged. It's called civilisation. These people are " happier" and healthier by all known indexes. There is even a high trust in politicians.ffs.

I think I pay about three grand income tax per year. My Mrs a lot less. I would be absolutely delighted, delirious, if the government put up our tax by 10 % as long as the rich paid the same or proportionately more.Because then we could have decent public services which are the bedrock,of a civilised society. An extra 3 or 4 hundred per year would be nothing to us. But to a billionaire that would be a lot of money. So they will resist taxes tooth and nail and spend billions world wide on funding media and political systems which keep their money firmly in their bank accounts. That is the problem. Yes they will argue they pay lots in taxes but our spending is focused on essentials...food , heat a roof over our heads. The tax they pay are just numbers on bank accounts. They need to be squeezed more. Its a load of predictable idiocy to rant about Marxism and killing the golden goose. These are just right wing tropes which gullible people believe. Poor people have always argued  for the rights of their masters . They are taught to do so. Institutional idiocy in my book.

As far as billionaires exiting New York and other places which try and squeeze some tax out of them then I've read of the possibility of "exit " taxes. Getting some money out of them before they bail out. I believe even Rachel from accounts is considering such a move ahead of the budget. I hope so.

I know I hear you say,  it's the argument of class warfare, jealousy, naivity etc etc. But to me , it's they , the billionaires who are holding the cudgels to our heads and its not a matter of jealousy but reality. Not a matter of naivity but stark reality.Things are getting worse. More money is finding its way to the top and less in our pockets. When does it stop? They make the laws, both criminal and financial and they don't favour us. That's for sure.

I would hate to be making my way in the world as a young person now. Layer upon layer of bureaucracy, the mortgage trap, obscene rents and the prospect of crap, underfunded schools and hospitals. When I started out there was no such thing as a ball crushing CVs to present to employers, and one wage was enough to keep a family. If you started a small business and grafted like hell, you could make money reasonably quickly. These opportunities no longer exist. Everything is sewn up mate. And don't get ill! The state will fund you exactly £100 a week! What a derisory insulting amount. People died during Covid because brits could not afford to be sick. I was reading on here two members have been working with  Covid  for weeks. And one fella on here has to pay for Parkinsons drugs whilst still working. I checked. Thise drugs are free in the rest of Europe. Even in France and Germany sick pay is 90% of your pay for months. Its even more in the nordic countries. Me and my Mrs are having to fork out over 20 grand for operations which otherwise would leave us incapacitated and in pain. The NHS waiting list is years long. 8 months to see a physio and 9 months to see a consultant. Then a 2 year wait for an operation. There's no significant waiting lists in France or Germany and  certainly none in the nordic countries. Why? because they spend a lot more of their GDP on their health services. Ordinary people are valued more in more civilised  countries.Thousands of our folk are dying, in pain on hospital waiting lists. I read today one veteran who said his sacrifice and that of his dead mates wasn't worth it. Hard to disagree.

The system isn't working for ordinary, dignified, clean living, decent people.The stats say it's getting worse year on year. When does it stop?  

That's me out Wilf. These exchanges can go on for days. There's not much point really. My opinions only, based on my perceptions, reading and experience of life. Over and out.

 

 

Edited Monday at 22:25 by jukel123

[WILF 51,420]

So there is no definition of the “Rich” or even the “Super Rich”……it’s whoever someone tells you it is, is that about the strength of it ?

Because let’s face facts, if a politicians voter base average wages are 50 grand a year then the bloke on 150 is “rich” isn’t he….so none of the people who vote for you mind if you attack him…..but in reality he is a pricework brick layer ! 
 

So you don’t give two fucks if they strip the farmer of the work of generations before him because on paper he has four times more than you…..but he ain’t living big, he just has land and maybe a car commensurate with 200 years of his family’s work…..in cash, he probably has the same as you !, gos to the same pub, shops in the same shops….but he is “rich” in your mind so f**k him despite the fact you’d have starved without him !

Your ideology is an ever decreasing circle, eventually you run out of other people’s money as your mate Thatcher once said.

Like the Soviet Union with all its natural resources couldn’t make it work !…..if they can’t, who can ? Go on, tell me ?

So to sum up, you can’t tell me who the rich are, you can’t tell me what the identifying monetary number is and you can’t tell me who pays if they don’t ?

All you can tell me is about some random utopian ideals, about how some other country with massive taxes (and much less people) that is subsidised by free market oil trading !! Is much better.

So, let’s just simplify it…..you don’t have to convince me of anything, just tell me “Who are the rich and what is the defining number ?” 
 

 

[jukel123 9,974]

6 minutes ago, WILF said:

So there is no definition of the “Rich” or even the “Super Rich”……it’s whoever someone tells you it is, is that about the strength of it ?

Because let’s face facts, if a politicians voter base average wages are 50 grand a year then the bloke on 150 is “rich” isn’t he….so none of the people who vote for you mind if you attack him…..but in reality he is a pricework brick layer ! 
 

So you don’t give two fucks if they strip the farmer of the work of generations before him because on paper he has four times more than you…..but he ain’t living big, he just has land and maybe a car commensurate with 200 years of his family’s work…..in cash, he probably has the same as you !, gos to the same pub, shops in the same shops….but he is “rich” in your mind so f**k him despite the fact you’d have starved without him !

Your ideology is an ever decreasing circle, eventually you run out of other people’s money as your mate Thatcher once said.

Like the Soviet Union with all its natural resources couldn’t make it work !…..if they can’t, who can ? Go on, tell me ?

So to sum up, you can’t tell me who the rich are, you can’t tell me what the identifying monetary number is and you can’t tell me who pays if they don’t ?

All you can tell me is about some random utopian ideals, about how some other country with massive taxes (and much less people) that is subsidised by free market oil trading !! Is much better.

So, let’s just simplify it…..you don’t have to convince me of anything, just tell me “Who are the rich and what is the defining number ?” 
 

 

The figures I've seen suggest an annual  mansion tax off 1% on a house worth one million. 2% on a house worth 5 million.

For wealth similar. Plus income tax rates on capital,gains. Fairer all round and hardly punitive to anybody.

As far as principles go. You can agonise over the rights  and wrongs as much as you like mate. My principle is the greater good for the greater number of people.

Goodnight.

[WILF 51,420]

And by the way, I told you about the medical treatment, go to Central Europe and get it done…it’s a quarter of the price and the hospitals are every bit as good !

Thats what people do when they get over charged, they go somewhere else !

[WILF 51,420]

4 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

The figures I've seen suggest an annual  mansion tax off 1% on a house worth one million. 2% on a house worth 5 million.

For wealth similar. Plus income tax rates on capital,gains. Fairer all round and hardly punitive to anybody.

As far as principles go. You can agonise over the rights  and wrongs as much as you like mate. My principle is the greater good for the greater number of people.

Goodnight.

You do realise one and two million isn’t a “mansion” anymore don’t you ?, it’s a five bed bungalow in a nice area owned by an old lady !

Dreams and reality mate, there’s a massive difference !

Still no definition of “the rich” I notice ? lol 

Edited Monday at 22:39 by WILF

[jukel123 9,974]

4 minutes ago, WILF said:

You do realise one and two million isn’t a “mansion” anymore don’t you ?, it’s a five bed bungalow in a nice area owned by an old lady !

Dreams and reality mate, there’s a massive difference !

Still no definition of “the rich” I notice ? lol 

I did give my definition of wealth.

The little old lady can defer her payment of the 1% until she snuffs it. Or she can downsize and avoid paying it altogether. 

I know  a few people worth well over a million. Some are in my family. Not one of them objects to paying a few more quid. My son and his Mrs both pay higher rates of tax. No problem they say, that's fair. Tbh, it's beneath decent rich people to complain about what is only a few quid to them.  But you ask Bezos and Trump to pay tax and they will either laugh or take out a fatwa against you. There are plenty of British Trump's and Bezos's. Tax those fuckers and we could have a decent health service. No need to go abroad which is your not very helpful suggestion. And what about the thousands who have no savings ? 

Here's a fact that will give a clutcher. A very high proportion of major land owners have inherited their land since William the conquerer gifted it to their ancestors. He took it from the English and gave it in most part to his French mates. Is that fair? Maybe we should  take it from them and  redistribute it for the public good? Of course its never going to happen but shouldn't they at least pay proportionally as much tax as we do? Or would that be a Marxist coup?

Very definitely good night. It's not the end of the world if somebody sees the world differently to you Wilf. I've no idea why you get so personally affronted at a different viewpoint. And after all its undoubtedly  right wing policies of privatisation, not investing in public services or public housing and low taxation (,especially for the super rich) which has led this country to its present position as a shithole. You can't blame the left. They've been beaten up and left for dead. Blair was in league with the big boys and would be personally revolted if he had to share air space with one of us. He even sacrificed our young to fight Bush's phoney oil wars. Right wing policies= more poverty, more inequality, more human misery and degradation.

Once again. Good f****n night! I'm not listening.

 

 

[WILF 51,420]

Don’t forget to check out the prices of private healthcare in Central Europe…..you can donate the £15 grand I just saved you to the government so they can fly to Davos ! lol