Wilf. Let's have a row.

[mackem 30,116]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

I’m aware it’s a sensible discussion, that’s why I said it ! 
There’s lots of things that can never happen…..until they do and that one already has so it’s not like I’m talking about a fantasy that never happened ever.

If it can happen once then, given the right conditions, it can happen again and I think it’s foolish to think it can’t……that’s why what we are seeing is insanity !

It’s not going to happen again Wilf,never in the UK,but,give me a shout before it does,I will be there.

[WILF 51,189]

1 minute ago, mackem said:

It’s not going to happen again Wilf,never in the UK,but,give me a shout before it does,I will be there.

Maybe, but I’d rather some politicians had the balls to say the hard things and do the hard things so that we don’t have to find out…….ive read extensively on the final solution and it’s horrific ! 
It seems our current crop of politicians haven’t learned those lessons !

[TRUEBRIT66 2,196]

7 hours ago, WILF said:

Maybe, but I’d rather some politicians had the balls to say the hard things and do the hard things so that we don’t have to find out…….ive read extensively on the final solution and it’s horrific ! 
It seems our current crop of politicians haven’t learned those lessons !

I've taken this text from a paper written about the rise of the Nazi party and the eventual lead up to WW2. I've amended things very slightly to fit in with what your predicting Wilf and it doesn't sound that far fetched when its there to read. The other side of the coin is what the outcome would be if the text below did not come true!

The Islamic ideology rested on several key ideas, such as nationalism, racial superiority, antisemitism, and political control. These ideas became increasingly popular in the Islamic faith in the Western world in the early 2000s, as the economic and political situation fluctuated in the UK and then following the Great Recession of (insert date), quickly deteriorated.

In these uncertain times, the (insert party) appeared to offer hope, political stability and prosperity. The (insert party) became the biggest party in the UK, with 37.3% of the vote.

Shortly afterwards, on (insert date), (insert name) was appointed Prime Minister. The (insert party) quickly consolidated their power, taking advantage of the numerous horrific terrorist attacks on UK soil, to begin their reign of terror. Whilst primarily aimed at political enemies, the infrastructure of camps and institutionalised torture used in these initial months provided the groundwork for the camp system which later facilitated mass murder. Although not the subject of mass arrests in the same way that many political prisoners were initially Arabs, Africans, and Asians were quickly targeted by the (insert party) regime.

The (insert party) persecution of the UK’s non indigenous population started with exclusionary policies, eliminating the non indigenous populations from certain professions and educational opportunities and encouraging them to emigrate. As their power became more secure, the (insert party) quickly escalated to more direct persecution, this escalation of oppression continued to intensify and radicalise until the outbreak of war, where it quickly became more lethal, and, eventually, genocidal.

 

 

[Bendigo 1,324]

7 hours ago, WILF said:

Maybe, but I’d rather some politicians had the balls to say the hard things and do the hard things so that we don’t have to find out…….ive read extensively on the final solution and it’s horrific ! 
It seems our current crop of politicians haven’t learned those lessons !

But politicians won't/can't say the hard things because the public are to stupid/blind/fragile to hear them. 

Every single person wants shops full of products from around the world, two car households, free health care for all, the government to mandate everything while believing they have freedom, an iPhone, two fat dogs, a house, full services like waste and roads . 

Control mass immigration but not the Turkish barber, 15 coloureds they grew up with, the nice Muslim woman at work and the Somalia doctor that treated their illness, the car wash lads because they are sound- proper salt of the earth them lads just like us.

And they want all this without worrying that actually our economy is built on lies and the world debt is built on numbers beyond our understanding and if we upset 'the markets' in any way then your mortgage doubles. 

 

[Bendigo 1,324]

48 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

I've taken this text from a paper written about the rise of the Nazi party and the eventual lead up to WW2. I've amended things very slightly to fit in with what your predicting Wilf and it doesn't sound that far fetched when its there to read. The other side of the coin is what the outcome would be if the text below did not come true!

The Islamic ideology rested on several key ideas, such as nationalism, racial superiority, antisemitism, and political control. These ideas became increasingly popular in the Islamic faith in the Western world in the early 2000s, as the economic and political situation fluctuated in the UK and then following the Great Recession of (insert date), quickly deteriorated.

In these uncertain times, the (insert party) appeared to offer hope, political stability and prosperity. The (insert party) became the biggest party in the UK, with 37.3% of the vote.

Shortly afterwards, on (insert date), (insert name) was appointed Prime Minister. The (insert party) quickly consolidated their power, taking advantage of the numerous horrific terrorist attacks on UK soil, to begin their reign of terror. Whilst primarily aimed at political enemies, the infrastructure of camps and institutionalised torture used in these initial months provided the groundwork for the camp system which later facilitated mass murder. Although not the subject of mass arrests in the same way that many political prisoners were initially Arabs, Africans, and Asians were quickly targeted by the (insert party) regime.

The (insert party) persecution of the UK’s non indigenous population started with exclusionary policies, eliminating the non indigenous populations from certain professions and educational opportunities and encouraging them to emigrate. As their power became more secure, the (insert party) quickly escalated to more direct persecution, this escalation of oppression continued to intensify and radicalise until the outbreak of war, where it quickly became more lethal, and, eventually, genocidal.

 

 

Sounds banging..... when we starting

[WILF 51,189]

1 hour ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

I've taken this text from a paper written about the rise of the Nazi party and the eventual lead up to WW2. I've amended things very slightly to fit in with what your predicting Wilf and it doesn't sound that far fetched when its there to read. The other side of the coin is what the outcome would be if the text below did not come true!

The Islamic ideology rested on several key ideas, such as nationalism, racial superiority, antisemitism, and political control. These ideas became increasingly popular in the Islamic faith in the Western world in the early 2000s, as the economic and political situation fluctuated in the UK and then following the Great Recession of (insert date), quickly deteriorated.

In these uncertain times, the (insert party) appeared to offer hope, political stability and prosperity. The (insert party) became the biggest party in the UK, with 37.3% of the vote.

Shortly afterwards, on (insert date), (insert name) was appointed Prime Minister. The (insert party) quickly consolidated their power, taking advantage of the numerous horrific terrorist attacks on UK soil, to begin their reign of terror. Whilst primarily aimed at political enemies, the infrastructure of camps and institutionalised torture used in these initial months provided the groundwork for the camp system which later facilitated mass murder. Although not the subject of mass arrests in the same way that many political prisoners were initially Arabs, Africans, and Asians were quickly targeted by the (insert party) regime.

The (insert party) persecution of the UK’s non indigenous population started with exclusionary policies, eliminating the non indigenous populations from certain professions and educational opportunities and encouraging them to emigrate. As their power became more secure, the (insert party) quickly escalated to more direct persecution, this escalation of oppression continued to intensify and radicalise until the outbreak of war, where it quickly became more lethal, and, eventually, genocidal.

 

 

Exactly mate, and ill point you in the direction of something else, if you read the opening chapters of Mien Kampf it will mirror almost exactly what you hear every day of the week just talking to those around you ! 
Like, it’s shocking how relevant it is…..it could have been written last year !

[WILF 51,189]

55 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

Sounds banging..... when we starting

And there you have it, all be it I’m aware you said it half in jest as I would…..but there is the thing, it’s “half” in jest.

The other half of us are at a point where we dont write off such a scenario, indeed would welcome it……and I bet we are far from alone 

People May say I’m being silly when I say if we don’t fix it we will get there but I don’t actually think I’m that far away…….corner a rat and all bets are off so to speak. 

Edited Wednesday at 08:20 by WILF

[TRUEBRIT66 2,196]

26 minutes ago, WILF said:

And there you have it, all be it I’m aware you said it half in jest as I would…..but there is the thing, it’s “half” in jest.

The other half of us are at a point where we dont write off such a scenario, indeed would welcome it……and I bet we are far from alone 

People May say I’m being silly when I say if we don’t fix it we will get there but I don’t actually think I’m that far away…….corner a rat and all bets are off so to speak. 

No your bang on.

People are feeling attacked from every angle and views are becoming more extreme, which should be a concern for us all. I speak to people who 3 years ago wouldn't wish harm to anyone now when a boat sinks on its way across the channel they say "good" or when another terrorist attack takes place they just shrug their shoulders, normal level headed people of all ages are losing their moral humanity because they feel abandoned and under attack!

On the way to work this morning they were reporting on the unrest in Dublin last night on the radio, not once did they mention it was (allegedly) a 10 year old girl that was sexually assaulted/raped by a migrant on the news they just concentrated on the story that the police had been attacked and the helicopter was "targeted by lasers" making it sound like it was some sort of military attack. Just check out the BBC report absolutely nothing explaining the reasons behind the violence Arrests after violent protest outside Dublin migrant hotel - BBC News

The levels of distraction are bizarre and fuelling the situation.                

[mackem 30,116]

43 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

unrest in Dublin last night on the radio…… a 10 year old girl that was sexually assaulted/raped by a migrant on the news           

10 year old asylum seeker raped by an asylum seeker who has been in Ireland 6 years and I think had his asylum claim rejected once already?I saw that reported yesterday on a Canadian independent news channel.

[WILF 51,189]

6 minutes ago, mackem said:

10 year old asylum seeker raped by an asylum seeker who has been in Ireland 6 years and I think had his asylum claim rejected once already?I saw that reported yesterday on a Canadian independent news channel.

There was a group of politicians having a massive row about it on mainstream news last night…..so it has been reported and some of the panel wouldn’t let the RTE host divert to the “attacks on police” narrative 

[WILF 51,189]

1 hour ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

No your bang on.

People are feeling attacked from every angle and views are becoming more extreme, which should be a concern for us all. I speak to people who 3 years ago wouldn't wish harm to anyone now when a boat sinks on its way across the channel they say "good" or when another terrorist attack takes place they just shrug their shoulders, normal level headed people of all ages are losing their moral humanity because they feel abandoned and under attack!

On the way to work this morning they were reporting on the unrest in Dublin last night on the radio, not once did they mention it was (allegedly) a 10 year old girl that was sexually assaulted/raped by a migrant on the news they just concentrated on the story that the police had been attacked and the helicopter was "targeted by lasers" making it sound like it was some sort of military attack. Just check out the BBC report absolutely nothing explaining the reasons behind the violence Arrests after violent protest outside Dublin migrant hotel - BBC News

The levels of distraction are bizarre and fuelling the situation.                

Like I’ve always said mate, there wasn’t hundreds of thousands of monsters waking round Germany in 1933 just waiting for a chance to commit genocide of men, women and children……they were just normal people like me or you, in fact probably nicer having never had the internet and been exposed to all the monstrous things we now see online every single day……these were good people, civilised people……but condition after condition was created that led to them thinking genocide was the only answer ! 
 

They were abused in their own land by foreign powers and banks

They were put into poverty by global leaders

Their country was a fractured mess of competing ideologies and politics

Sound familiar ?……..you can’t do that to the people who gave us Bach and Schiller and Wagner and Krupp steel and Mercedes and grand city’s like Berlin and Munich and Frankfurt and Dresden……they won’t  take it forever because they didn’t build the society’s they did by sitting back, it’s just in their nature to do what they have to do. 
 

The conditions of modern Britain are so similar it’s just not true……

If someone don’t get a grip of this then a disaster is coming down the line…..

Edited Wednesday at 10:17 by WILF

[Bendigo 1,324]

4 hours ago, WILF said:

And there you have it, all be it I’m aware you said it half in jest as I would…..but there is the thing, it’s “half” in jest.

The other half of us are at a point where we dont write off such a scenario, indeed would welcome it……and I bet we are far from alone 

People May say I’m being silly when I say if we don’t fix it we will get there but I don’t actually think I’m that far away…….corner a rat and all bets are off so to speak. 

Half in jest....half .  Very true 

[mackay 3,688]

On 22/10/2025 at 00:20, mackem said:

It’s not going to happen again Wilf,never in the UK,but,give me a shout before it does,I will be there.

Talking to people who used to spend their Sundays playing bowls or washing the car and listening to them now, I wouldn't say that it is beyond the realms of possibility and my own view is if nothing changes and we go forward as it is, then the possibility is fast becoming a certainty.