Farage and Boris responsible for small boats.

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2 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Now you are being silly.

How am I being silly ?……you think one should pay more, I think they should all pay the same and at the lowest rate possible. 
 

That’s literally what you have been saying. 

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Put my mate in jail and reward ghis shower.

https://whoownsengland.org/2017/05/08/the-dukes-their-tax-breaks-an-8million-annual-subsidy/

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6 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Put my mate in jail and reward ghis shower.

https://whoownsengland.org/2017/05/08/the-dukes-their-tax-breaks-an-8million-annual-subsidy/

But your mate is a victim of things you advocate for, namely a punitive tax regime….he isn’t the victim of a Lord or Jeff Bezoz ! He is a victim of precisely the thing you want !

So do you want it, or not ?

Because I’d rather none of them were in prison rather than all of them.

Hows that for a bit of extreme far right thinking ! 

Edited Thursday at 15:47 by WILF

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Tax the rich ! Tax the rich ! Shouted the worker .

The rich , who owned the business where the worker was employed , thought “Ive had enough off this, it isn’t profitable anymore” and liquidised his assets and went to live in Dubai or Portugal.

The worker turned up on Monday morning and found he was unemployed.

First to go was the leased car, then the Sky subscription, then the top of the range iPhone his wife loved , then the kids PS 5 , then the mortgage went into arrears and the bank forclosed and took his house.

The worker blamed the rich , the capitalists, the Tory’s, but it was actually HIS fault for voting for an incompetent, Labour government who taxed the rich, the employers, the entrepreneurs, until they gave up and left…..

The very near future of this country !

Cheers.

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3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Tax the rich ! Tax the rich ! Shouted the worker .

The rich , who owned the business where the worker was employed , thought “Ive had enough off this, it isn’t profitable anymore” and liquidised his assets and went to live in Dubai or Portugal.

The worker turned up on Monday morning and found he was unemployed.

First to go was the leased car, then the Sky subscription, then the top of the range iPhone his wife loved , then the kids PS 5 , then the mortgage went into arrears and the bank forclosed and took his house.

The worker blamed the rich , the capitalists, the Tory’s, but it was actually HIS fault for voting for an incompetent, Labour government who taxed the rich, the employers, the entrepreneurs, until they gave up and left…..

The very near future of this country !

Cheers.

I can see this educational odyssey we are on will be even more arduous than your ongoing work with McHull mate…..I’m glad we have teamed up, I don’t think I could manage on my own ! lol 

Edited Thursday at 15:58 by WILF

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1 hour ago, WILF said:

I agree but the reality is, people can’t be bothered to think about the situation outside their front door never mind explore further than that…..it’s asking mental defectives to play against chess grand masters…..in an ideal world they could, but we all know they can’t. 

Correct but that was hitler that said the above all those years ago. 
Ain’t no different from a rat invasion all good getting rid of the ones that you can see but if you don’t get to the route of the cause the main source then it’s just gonna keep happening over and over again. 

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5 minutes ago, WILF said:

I can see this educational odyssey we are on will be even more arduous than your ongoing work with McHull mate…..I’m glad we have teamed up, I don’t think I could manage on my own ! lol 

I must be a glutton for punishment mate ! LOL ! 
Cheers.

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2 hours ago, WILF said:

The first schools were set up by industrialists and land owners who wanted to better educated their work force…..its win/win…..

In the leftist world, nothing matters as long as the rich loose….period ! 
 

It’s a nasty little, self defeating mindset. 
 

In reality, not everyone is going to be equal…..that’s just life.

Some people are clever, some are industrious, some meticulous, some have little education but good ethics and some are out and out morons……that’s just life, you can’t work to the lowest common denominator all the time and reward the moron at the expense of all the others.

You don’t punish him either, but you have to accept what he is….he can’t help it, nothing to be done about it. 
 

All you do is encourage more morons and less of all the others…..and you find yourself exactly where we are at ! 
 

Meritocracy is good, looking after your own is good, creating an environment where people can be kind instead of having to crawl up each others back for the last penny just to survive another day is good…..if you want to see if something works look at the results !

We have us back in the day and we have us now……which worked better ? 

I was literally having a similar conversation with my Mrs yesterday. She was a lawyer in Honduras but needs to do the courses here to be able to practice in Spain. So right now she has a mediocre job that pays a salary and gives her the time to do the courses. Her friend who works at the same job, minimal education and sees the job as her future, not a means to an end. Nothing wrong with that but the difference is night and day and it's down to education and mindset. My Mrs was pushed to achieve, her friend wasn't.

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Gentlemen. Enough fairy stories . Kind-hearted gentry, selfless clerics and unreasonable workers who bankrupt their employers. Jack a f****n nory.

The shithole this country has become is wholly due to the greedy out of control right.

When has the left been in power over the last 100 years? And please don't quote me Blair! FFS.

 The bitter, short_ sighted proletariat who want to bring everybody down to their piteous level does not exist except in the right's publications. People just want to be treated fairly. And to be given a chance.

You are self satisfyingly blaming the poor for their own condition. That attitude has been around  since the year dot.

I know if I was a young man who had an education or a required skill, I would be out of this country. It's sinking fast. And of course it's the working class to blame. Why does that myth persist in this country? Answer ? Propaganda from the media which is owned by the very people who own everything else. They create the narrative and people believe and repeat it.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 16:34 by jukel123

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8 minutes ago, mushroom said:

I was literally having a similar conversation with my Mrs yesterday. She was a lawyer in Honduras but needs to do the courses here to be able to practice in Spain. So right now she has a mediocre job that pays a salary and gives her the time to do the courses. Her friend who works at the same job, minimal education and sees the job as her future, not a means to an end. Nothing wrong with that but the difference is night and day and it's down to education and mindset. My Mrs was pushed to achieve, her friend wasn't.

When the left say “levelling up” it actually means “levelling down” ! 
But then again the left elite don’t want the working class children to have private education or go to university , but it’s fine for them and their children,

a bit like the “Zil lanes” in Soviet Russia , the Communist bosses being swept to their centrally heated offices while the worker stands on the snow waiting for a bus to take them to the tank assembly factory !

How many of the Labour front bench have had a real job ? 
The same for the Tory’s , but they don’t pretend to be “working class “ ! 
Cheers.

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1 hour ago, WILF said:

If the tax rate is flat, the more you earn the more you pay….anything else is punitive isn’t it. 

Andorra has a flat rate of 10% and they are considered a wealthy country. Why should the tax rate raise the more you earn!

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3 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Gentlemen. Enough fairy stories . Kind-hearted gentry, selfless clerics and unreasonable workers who bankrupt their employers. Jack a f****n nory.

The shithole this country has become is wholly due to the greedy out of control right.

When has the left been in power over the last 100 years? And please don't quote me Blair! FFS.

 The bitter, short_ sighted proletariat who want to bring everybody down to their piteous level does not exist except in the right's publications. People just want to be treated fairly. And to be given a chance.

You are self satisfyingly blaming the poor for their own condition. That attitude has been around  since the year dot.

I know if I was a young man who had an education or a required skill, I would be out of this country. It's sinking fast. And of course it's the working class to blame. Why does that myth persist in this country? Answer .Propaganda from the media which is owned by the very people who own everything else. They create the narrative and people believe and repeat it.

 

 

Why shouldn’t we mention Blair ?

It was he who opened the door to mass uncontrolled immigration, it was his Chancellor that sold of our gold at rock bottom prices, it was Blair who took us into an illegal war , it was his advisor Campbell who made up the “ dodgy dossier “ ! 
So yes, I WILL quote you Blair.

Cheers.

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Left field (as ever). The politician I most admire was a fella called Attaturk.

He moved Turkey from the dark ages into a modern successful state. He discouraged muslim dress and, incr edibly, people supported him and ditched the Fez and the burka

The present right wing incumbent is busy building mosques including a super mosque reflective of his ego. Meanwhile inflation soars and women are back in their burkas.

Religion and a repressive state always keep people back.

 

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10 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Why shouldn’t we mention Blair ?

It was he who opened the door to mass uncontrolled immigration, it was his Chancellor that sold of our gold at rock bottom prices, it was Blair who took us into an illegal war , it was his advisor Campbell who made up the “ dodgy dossier “ ! 
So yes, I WILL quote you Blair.

Cheers.

He was NOT left wing. He did nothing for thd british people. He was a whore to the American right and became ludicrously rich as a result. Same as Farage and Johnston.

Edited Thursday at 16:46 by jukel123

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1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

Hecwas NOT left wing. He did nothing for thd brigish people. He was a whore to the American right and became ludicrously rich as a result.

A bit like Starmer, a whore to Davos, , the WEF, the EU, but gullible people still vote Labour !

As I said earlier, Labour/Tory/ LibDem, the Uniparty.

Time for change ….

Cheers.