chartpolski 27,449 Posted yesterday at 16:16 Report Share Posted yesterday at 16:16 4 minutes ago, jukel123 said: I apologise if I'm f***ing with your mindset, and I'm not disputing what others have said in this thread. But what I have said is true. The small boat crossings only started after an ill thought out and amateurish brexit. I voted for brexit on the basis that wages would rise and that has happened. But immigration has not gone down. And the people who have, by and large, replaced European immigration often do not share the same cultural beliefs as Europeans. Farage and Johnstone created the small boats crisis by not dealing with the Dublin 111 agreement. Even The biggest fans of Farage and Johnstone must concede that they are woeful when it comes to detail. But the press focuses on the migrants themselves and not the reason they are coming ,which is because there is nothing to stop them. For that we can only blame Farage and Johnstone. What can Farage do ? Hes not in power, he can’t make laws. The sad thing is this Labour government has another four years to totally f**k the country up and whoever takes over when Labour get kicked out will have such a mess to try and sort out , people will say “see, these are just as bad”. ! Ive been watching the Starmer/Trump press conferences in Scotland and Starmer is squirming when Trump is asked about Net Zero, immigration, Farmers death tax , etc. Cheers. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,650 Posted yesterday at 16:22 Report Share Posted yesterday at 16:22 1 minute ago, chartpolski said: What can Farage do ? Hes not in power, he can’t make laws. The sad thing is this Labour government has another four years to totally f**k the country up and whoever takes over when Labour get kicked out will have such a mess to try and sort out , people will say “see, these are just as bad”. ! Ive been watching the Starmer/Trump press conferences in Scotland and Starmer is squirming when Trump is asked about Net Zero, immigration, Farmers death tax , etc. Cheers. Good, I hope they crash the lot……In reality conversations like this are just fiddling while Rome burns. Britain is heading at breakneck speed towards economic or social armageddon or both…..it can’t be stopped ! British people have watched their country go down the toilet for so long that they deserve all they get…..all those shallow c**ts who were like “it’s not too bad” I hope they all sink with the boat ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,449 Posted yesterday at 16:28 Report Share Posted yesterday at 16:28 2 minutes ago, WILF said: Good, I hope they crash the lot……In reality conversations like this are just fiddling while Rome burns. Britain is heading at breakneck speed towards economic or social armageddon or both…..it can’t be stopped ! British people have watched their country go down the toilet for so long that they deserve all they get…..all those shallow c**ts who were like “it’s not too bad” I hope they all sink with the boat ! Did you see when Trump was asked about illegal immigration? He said Europe better get their act together and stop the invasion or there won’t be a Europe left ! Starmer stood next to him looking physically sick and interrupted saying “ we are working with Europe to smash the gangs”…….pathetic ! Cheers. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 9,275 Posted yesterday at 16:42 Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 16:42 18 minutes ago, chartpolski said: What can Farage do ? Hes not in power, he can’t make laws. The sad thing is this Labour government has another four years to totally f**k the country up and whoever takes over when Labour get kicked out will have such a mess to try and sort out , people will say “see, these are just as bad”. ! Ive been watching the Starmer/Trump press conferences in Scotland and Starmer is squirming when Trump is asked about Net Zero, immigration, Farmers death tax , etc. Cheers. True, but he and Johnstone and their financial backers were the movers and shakers of the brexit we settled for. Johnstone was in power but didn't bother with paltry detail. I'm definitely not a fan of Starmer or Blair either. I'm just pointing out Johnstone and Farage were negligent and incompetent. Farage has got a nerve taking to a boat for a photo shoot and pointing out small boat arrivals when he and his kind created the very means by which they could arrive here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,449 Posted yesterday at 16:53 Report Share Posted yesterday at 16:53 2 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Farage has got a nerve taking to a boat for a photo shoot and pointing out small boat arrivals when he and his kind created the very means by which they could arrive here. This is where I differ from the Farage haters; he , in my mind , created the situation, (EU withdrawal), where we would regain sovereignty over our borders and not be subject to EU rules. The fact that traitorous politicians refused to use that sovereignty isn’t Farages fault, he was in no position to enact laws. The huge increase in legal and illegal immigration can’t be laid at Farages door , he gave us the means to stop it, but duplicitous Tories, backed by Labour and the LibDems did everything in their power to obstruct Brexit and any benefits we may get from it. They are the traitors, not Farage. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty12 3,633 Posted yesterday at 16:54 Report Share Posted yesterday at 16:54 Years down the line and yous still can’t get it lol this was planed long ago it wouldn’t matter if it was starmer, farage , tony Blair , Gareth Southgate or Elton John as the pm this same scenario would still play out. jews eradicating the Christian nations using the Muslims as there foot solider pawns. If you think the likes of starmer ect actually run the country then your a first class fool 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,449 Posted yesterday at 17:08 Report Share Posted yesterday at 17:08 13 minutes ago, scotty12 said: Years down the line and yous still can’t get it lol this was planed long ago it wouldn’t matter if it was starmer, farage , tony Blair , Gareth Southgate or Elton John as the pm this same scenario would still play out. jews eradicating the Christian nations using the Muslims as there foot solider pawns. If you think the likes of starmer ect actually run the country then your a first class fool Ah well, that’s a conversation ender, Scotty mate ! LOL ! Cheers. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,754 Posted yesterday at 17:16 Report Share Posted yesterday at 17:16 20 minutes ago, scotty12 said: Years down the line and yous still can’t get it lol this was planed long ago it wouldn’t matter if it was starmer, farage , tony Blair , Gareth Southgate or Elton John as the pm this same scenario would still play out. jews eradicating the Christian nations using the Muslims as there foot solider pawns. If you think the likes of starmer ect actually run the country then your a first class fool 100percent facts,the politicians are puppets,it's all a big show,an there been ordered what to do 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 9,275 Posted yesterday at 17:18 Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 17:18 9 minutes ago, chartpolski said: This is where I differ from the Farage haters; he , in my mind , created the situation, (EU withdrawal), where we would regain sovereignty over our borders and not be subject to EU rules. The fact that traitorous politicians refused to use that sovereignty isn’t Farages fault, he was in no position to enact laws. The huge increase in legal and illegal immigration can’t be laid at Farages door , he gave us the means to stop it, but duplicitous Tories, backed by Labour and the LibDems did everything in their power to obstruct Brexit and any benefits we may get from it. They are the traitors, not Farage. There is an element of treacherous politicians scuppering brexit but the 'oven ready brexit' included in the hastily assembled brexit agreement did not encompass the problem of Ireland or the Dublin 111 agreement. Brexit was negotiated as a 'concept'. Much of the detail was negotiated retrospectively which is always a weak negotiating strategy. The Ireland Good Friday agreement hangs in the balance and is dependent on us remaining in the ECHR, whilst the Dublin111 agreement is floating somewhere in the Irish sea...... hence migrants continue to arrive by small boat. Farage is merely Tommy Robinson with a suit. He's a rabble rouser. He's become a very, very rich man as "spokesman of the people". I don't buy it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty12 3,633 Posted yesterday at 17:23 Report Share Posted yesterday at 17:23 10 minutes ago, chartpolski said: Ah well, that’s a conversation ender, Scotty mate ! LOL ! Cheers. No point in debating over the colour of shit over and over again this is happening in every Christian nation across the world. do people really think that all these pms from all these different countries are as thick as they make out ? act the fool to play the fool. why would they all let their countries be destroyed right before there very own eyes ? Dont you think one of them would go hang on a minute what’s the solutions to our problems and then maybe act on it and start reversing the problem lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,449 Posted yesterday at 17:23 Report Share Posted yesterday at 17:23 2 minutes ago, jukel123 said: There is an element of treacherous politicians scuppering brexit but the 'oven ready brexit' included in the hastily assembled brexit agreement did not encompass the problem of Ireland or the Dublin 111 agreement. Brexit was negotiated as a 'concept'. Much of the detail was negotiated retrospectively which is always a weak negotiating strategy. The Ireland Good Friday agreement hangs in the balance and is dependent on us remaining in the ECHR, whilst the Dublin111 agreement is floating somewhere in the Irish sea...... hence migrants continue to arrive by small boat. Farage is merely Tommy Robinson with a suit. He's a rabble rouser. He's become a very, very rich man as "spokesman of the people". I don't buy it. As with “Godwins Law” , I think as soon as “the Jews” , “ the Illuminati “, the “WEF”, et al, are mentioned it’s time for me to make a strategic withdrawal from a debate ! LOL ! Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,449 Posted yesterday at 17:26 Report Share Posted yesterday at 17:26 6 minutes ago, jukel123 said: There is an element of treacherous politicians scuppering brexit but the 'oven ready brexit' included in the hastily assembled brexit agreement did not encompass the problem of Ireland or the Dublin 111 agreement. Brexit was negotiated as a 'concept'. Much of the detail was negotiated retrospectively which is always a weak negotiating strategy. The Ireland Good Friday agreement hangs in the balance and is dependent on us remaining in the ECHR, whilst the Dublin111 agreement is floating somewhere in the Irish sea...... hence migrants continue to arrive by small boat. Farage is merely Tommy Robinson with a suit. He's a rabble rouser. He's become a very, very rich man as "spokesman of the people". I don't buy it. I put it down, mainly , to incompetence, not conspiracy, but , as you know, I believe there ARE conspiracies, just that not EVERTHING is a conspiracy. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 9,275 Posted yesterday at 17:38 Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 17:38 11 minutes ago, chartpolski said: I put it down, mainly , to incompetence, not conspiracy, but , as you know, I believe there ARE conspiracies, just that not EVERTHING is a conspiracy. Cheers. Fair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 9,275 Posted yesterday at 17:43 Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 17:43 (edited) 20 minutes ago, scotty12 said: No point in debating over the colour of shit over and over again this is happening in every Christian nation across the world. do people really think that all these pms from all these different countries are as thick as they make out ? act the fool to play the fool. why would they all let their countries be destroyed right before there very own eyes ? Dont you think one of them would go hang on a minute what’s the solutions to our problems and then maybe act on it and start reversing the problem lol I'll,say one thing Scotty. I thought the conspiracy theory that there exists a paedophile network among the rich and powerful was nonsense. But with what we know about Epstein and the people he hung about with and what Epstein and Maxwell got up to. I admit I was wrong. Never, ever happened before. Elements of self doubt are beginning to creep into my psyche.lol Edited yesterday at 17:44 by jukel123 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 294 Posted yesterday at 17:54 Report Share Posted yesterday at 17:54 1 hour ago, WILF said: Yeah, and ?……what’s that got to do with anything ? It's just funny how the narrative is that we are a victim of these laws when in fact we were a founder. It's reminding you that support for human rights was seen as good leadership and not an act of surrendering our sovereignty. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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