Pardus 1,608 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, Francie, said: Charts cats have 90percent of our dna mate,according to you were closely related to cats. Remember science is testable an observable an your belief an many others that we slowly evolved over billions of years from a single celled organism is not scientific,it can't be tested or observed. You still can't get past how non life without dna sprung to life with dna an slowly evolved,it never happened an will never happen,you have as much faith in macro evoloution as I do in God,an that's the truth of it,but you can't admit it You are here again with half truths. ALL mammals, that includes apes, mice & cats, share a core set of genes. These genes code cell structure, organ development, metabolism, etc. This is where you are getting misled, DNA similarity isn't just about what genes you have, it's about it's structure. An ape or a monkey aren't just similar in genes like a cat and all other mammals, they are far more similar in the structure of their genes. It's like saying a lawn mower is just as close to being a motorbike than a quad is, just because they share many of the basic parts. Edited June 7 by Pardus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,712 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 41 minutes ago, chartpolski said: Francie, mate, I’m not doubting your faith. You believe the bible is literal, I believe it is mainly allegorical , made up of parables, exaggerations and prophecies. I could question many things from the bible, but there’s one that may fit the narrative of creation versus evolution; Noah’s Ark . Now the bible is quite specific on how the Ark was to be built and its size and we know how many humans were on board. Now to the animals; “two of every animal in the world” . Did that include animals that are peculiar to only certain parts of the world, such as Australias kangaroos, wombats and other animals, or Madagascars lemurs, or the New Worlds South American monkeys? If not how did these animals come about ? Did evolution cause them to evolve from other types due to isolation because of the shifting of the earths tectonic plates changing and forming islands and continents ? Cheers. I'm not saying you doubt my faith,I'm saying that you have just as much faith in macro evoloution mate. Well charts as you said about common ancestors I would agree with you to a certain point,for example you say kangaroos,I'd say they'd have a common ancestor with smaller marsupials,different colour etc but there ancestor was a marsupial,not an unknown animal that was macro evolving from a cow,a cat a,donkey etc Same with primates,common ancestor was a primate not another unknown animal that was macro evolving from a rabbit air a dog or whatever Same with dogs,common ancestor was a canine of some sort. I beleive in micro evoloution,I don't like to call it that because people don't realise macro an micro are completely different. There is variety in the groups of animals as we clearly see,but to jump from that to say all animals are related an can macro evolve is taking us into faith mate An animals have dispersed around the world with man on boats Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,712 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 8 minutes ago, Pardus said: You are here again with half truths. ALL mammals, that includes apes, mice & cats, share a core set of genes. These genes code cell structure, organ development, metabolism, etc. This is where you are getting misled, DNA similarity isn't just about what genes you have, it's about it's structure. An ape or a monkey aren't just similar in genes like a cat and all other mammals, they are far more similar in the structure of their genes. It's like saying a lawn mower is just as close to being a motorbike than a quad is, just because they share many of the basic parts. I would argue your extrapolating,but your bottom paragraph proves me correct lol sound lad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,137 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Francie, said: I'm not saying you doubt my faith,I'm saying that you have just as much faith in macro evoloution mate. Well charts as you said about common ancestors I would agree with you to a certain point,for example you say kangaroos,I'd say they'd have a common ancestor with smaller marsupials,different colour etc but there ancestor was a marsupial,not an unknown animal that was macro evolving from a cow,a cat a,donkey etc Same with primates,common ancestor was a primate not another unknown animal that was macro evolving from a rabbit air a dog or whatever Same with dogs,common ancestor was a canine of some sort. I beleive in micro evoloution,I don't like to call it that because people don't realise macro an micro are completely different. There is variety in the groups of animals as we clearly see,but to jump from that to say all animals are related an can macro evolve is taking us into faith mate An animals have dispersed around the world with man on boats So you agree animals evolve. Humans , apes and monkeys are primates, and you agree that primates evolved from a common ancestor. So evolution is real ? Im not trying to trap you or have a “gotcha” moment, but previously you’ve denied evolution, now you seem to agree with it. I can’t see how evolution is incompatible with believing in God , maybe evolution was/is Gods plan ? Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,712 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 I'm not going to go around in circles all day,we done it to death charts,I'm just saying you have just s much faith in macro evoloution for origins of life as I do in God,an that is fine mate,have a good day 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,608 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Francie, said: I would argue your extrapolating,but your bottom paragraph proves me correct lol sound lad I don't think so, it's a perfectly reasonable example and puts things in to layman's terms. Your argument that because cats share around 90% of our DNA is some sort of gotcha moment doesn't wash. Again, all living things share DNA with all other living things, that's not a surprise, it would be a bigger suprise if they didn't. Edited June 7 by Pardus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,137 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Francie, said: I'm not going to go around in circles all day,we done it to death charts,I'm just saying you have just s much faith in macro evoloution for origins of life as I do in God,an that is fine mate,have a good day To be honest mate, I lost what little faith I ever had some while ago. That doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy a decent debate or discussion ! LOL ! Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,712 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, chartpolski said: So you agree animals evolve. Humans , apes and monkeys are primates, and you agree that primates evolved from a common ancestor. So evolution is real ? Im not trying to trap you or have a “gotcha” moment, but previously you’ve denied evolution, now you seem to agree with it. I can’t see how evolution is incompatible with believing in God , maybe evolution was/is Gods plan ? Cheers. Charts I'm not being a smart arse but please look at micro an macro evoloution,there's a massive difference,iv said all along there is a variety within the group of animals like canines,felines,marsupials primates( micro) but to extrapolate that to macro is where faith comes in,its not scientific,can't be tested or observed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,608 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 Just now, Francie, said: Charts I'm not being a smart arse but please look at micro an macro evoloution,there's a massive difference,iv said all along there is a variety within the group of animals like canines,felines,marsupials primates( micro) but to extrapolate that to macro is where faith comes in,its not scientific,can't be tested or observed. Hahahaha, so you think a wombat and a kangaroo are examples of microevolution? Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,712 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 5 minutes ago, Pardus said: I don't think so, it's a perfectly reasonable example and puts things in to layman's terms. Your argument that because cats share around 90% of our DNA is some sort of gotcha moment doesn't wash. Again, all living things share DNA with all other living things, that's not a surprise, it would be a bigger suprise if they didn't. I never said it was a got ya,you done it again your proving my point mate,think on what your writing lol 3 minutes ago, chartpolski said: To be honest mate, I lost what little faith I ever had some while ago. That doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy a decent debate or discussion ! LOL ! Cheers. Mate faith is believing without seeing,you can have faith in anything,I'm heading out with dogs,il drop in later again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,608 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 Nothing to see here, just an example of a little microevolution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,137 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 Just now, Francie, said: Charts I'm not being a smart arse but please look at micro an macro evoloution,there's a massive difference,iv said all along there is a variety within the group of animals like canines,felines,marsupials primates( micro) but to extrapolate that to macro is where faith comes in,its not scientific,can't be tested or observed. I don’t need to mate. Creationists don’t believe in evolution, it’s an anathema to them to suggest we are related through evolution to apes and monkeys by a common ancestor, nothing to do with macro or micro evolution. You, not you personally, either believe we have a common ancestor with apes, evolution, or you believe the creation version. The two are incompatible, it’s either one or the other. I personally don’t believe in god, but that doesn’t mean god couldn’t have created evolution. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 15,384 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 8 minutes ago, chartpolski said: I don’t need to mate. Creationists don’t believe in evolution, it’s an anathema to them to suggest we are related through evolution to apes and monkeys by a common ancestor, nothing to do with macro or micro evolution. You, not you personally, either believe we have a common ancestor with apes, evolution, or you believe the creation version. The two are incompatible, it’s either one or the other. I personally don’t believe in god, but that doesn’t mean god couldn’t have created evolution. Cheers. what have you seen to make you believe in evolution ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,137 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, mC HULL said: what have you seen to make you believe in evolution ? Personally ? Nothing, but plenty of fossils prove evolution. What has ANYONE seen that supports creationism ? The question is rhetorical. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,608 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 9 minutes ago, mC HULL said: what have you seen to make you believe in evolution ? How can we see it, how fast do you think evolution occurs like? Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.