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Just now, chartpolski said:

The decline can be traced back to various points in time; the retreat from East of Suez, the end of WW2 or even the end of WW1, but the timeline I mentioned is where I see the decline personally in my life.

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Yep, understood mate.

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37 minutes ago, Goly said:

Yes, our services are the worst they have ever been, but, on planet are you on to think that they would be better or the same if we put in less tax revenue? The bottom feeders would still be the ones suffering with even worse services. We are still relatively well off compared to many countries, how low would you be willing to accept for a bit more cash in your pocket instead of the system?

Take a look at Argentina clear out the deadwood at the top and the country is flying

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5 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Take a look at Argentina clear out the deadwood at the top and the country is flying

Compared to comparable places like Germany and other advanced nations in the EU we are taxed less,  whether they get more out of it is another debate but to cry that we are some unique victim just isn't true.

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44 minutes ago, Goly said:

Health care and the rest of our services, where do you think it goes mate?

MPs expenses nhs diversity staff hundreds of government dead wood the House of Lords shareholders the list goes on mate we get back a minimum of what we put in all those above pull out a far more than they ever contribute its smoke and mirrors and your buying into the bull shit 

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1 minute ago, Greyman said:

MPs expenses nhs diversity staff hundreds of government dead wood the House of Lords shareholders the list goes on mate we get back a minimum of what we put in all those above pull out a far more than they ever contribute its smoke and mirrors and your buying into the bull shit 

Ok, so, politicians have only just started claiming expenses? So are non of your other suggestions. Again, wether we are getting out of it what we could is probably right. But, does anyone seriously suggest that if we payed less taxes then services like the NHS, our education system, our welfare state would be better off for it? 

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8 minutes ago, Greyman said:

MPs expenses nhs diversity staff hundreds of government dead wood the House of Lords shareholders the list goes on mate we get back a minimum of what we put in all those above pull out a far more than they ever contribute its smoke and mirrors and your buying into the bull shit 

as musk said you want to cut back government have as little input from them

as possible 

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11 minutes ago, Greyman said:

MPs expenses nhs diversity staff hundreds of government dead wood the House of Lords shareholders the list goes on mate we get back a minimum of what we put in all those above pull out a far more than they ever contribute its smoke and mirrors and your buying into the bull shit 

wilf chart gm listen to your olders greb they have seen more lol 

i was going to say juckel but he’s on a mountain. in ireland hasn’t a clue what’s happening on the front line lol 

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1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

wilf chart gm listen to your olders greb they have seen more lol 

i was going to say juckel but he’s on a mountain. in ireland hasn’t a clue what’s happening on the front line lol 

Other than Charts they have seen nothing other than the UK tax system, just like me and you. Lol

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1 minute ago, Goly said:

Other than Charts they have seen nothing other than the UK tax system, just like me and you. Lol

but seen 200 years to our not even 40 lol different areas and life’s from a dell boy to a lord (chart) lol 

and  they all come to the same conclusion mate lol

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3 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

but seen 200 years to our not even 40 lol different areas and life’s from a dell boy to a lord (chart) lol 

and  they all come to the same conclusion mate lol

Think that's called senility lol.

They say they agree with taxes, they're just confused as to how much. Lol

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4 minutes ago, Goly said:

I'd love to live in a tax free world, wouldn't we fecking all. Lol

At least not taxed on pensions for a start. I tend to agree with points on both sides of the argument on this thread and I think it's down to how our taxes are spent and used unwisely that gets all our backs up. 

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Just now, tatsblisters said:

At least not taxed on pensions for a start. I tend to agree with points on both sides of the argument on this thread and I think it's down to how our taxes are spent and used unwisely that gets all our backs up. 

that’s it mate taxes are good if when the money is used right 

think  of the trillions upon trillions we have wasted since 2000 on wars and immigration 

all to benefit a few  

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