commercial shooting

[Aaron 3]

What are peoples views on commercial shoots who are shooting big bags? How many is too many and is there a need to shoot such big numbers?

 

Regards

 

Aaron

[john b 38]

well that's an interesting and potentially controversial question

 

I have a 'principle' view and a 'personal' on this. The principle for me is that I don't mind how big a shoot is provided that it's safe, well managed and the shot game is treated and used as food. Shooting a large number of pheasant is no different to commercial harvesting of any other crop.

 

On a personal note however I don't particularly enjoy large shoots, particularly as a beater. I like the amiable banter and slightly 'dads army' feel of a small shoot. The large ones I have been too are strict, tight and bloody hard work.

[Guest ragumup]

Edited January 14, 2008 by ragumup

[Guest Lord B]

well that's an interesting and potentially controversial question

 

I have a 'principle' view and a 'personal' on this. The principle for me is that I don't mind how big a shoot is provided that it's safe, well managed and the shot game is treated and used as food. Shooting a large number of pheasant is no different to commercial harvesting of any other crop.

 

On a personal note however I don't particularly enjoy large shoots, particularly as a beater. I like the amiable banter and slightly 'dads army' feel of a small shoot. The large ones I have been too are strict, tight and bloody hard work.

Quite agree.

[Aaron 3]

must be a few more with opinions

 

Regards

 

Aaron

[burnie69 376]

Its all about money i'm afraid now days.I know keepers who shoot 7 days a year i also now keepers who shoot 60 days plus its what ever your into in my eyes i shoot on average 4 days weeks but towards the end of the season extra days do get put in (tenants day,small let days).I do know keepers who say i wouldn't do that many days i like a easier life but most of em are loading,picking up or beating else where anyway.When i started there was 3 keepers doing just under 8000 that was not that long ago,i know keepers now doing 20,000+ on there own rearing aswell just shows how commercial shooting has changed things.The only gripe i've got with commercial shooting is the foreign teams of guns who come over to shoot who are not safe and will shoot anything not matter what range and height in my eyes they give it a bad name.I'm not saying all foreign teams are like this but i seen afew that are.YIS burns

[outshooting 0]

Big shoots = Big money, if your willing to pay £500-£1000 for a days shooting & stand on a peg shooting bird after bird where is the sport or skill in that, you also find on some of the big shoots the attitude is still THEM & US which i do not agree with.

 

 

I personally like the smaller shoots, everybody talks to each other & has a bit of banter, its not all about the bag numbers at the end of the day, its about that one memorable shot, that one high bird & the good company you have been with all day.

[alimac 882]

Big shoots = Big money, if your willing to pay £500-£1000 for a days shooting & stand on a peg shooting bird after bird where is the sport or skill in that, you also find on some of the big shoots the attitude is still THEM & US which i do not agree with.

 

 

I personally like the smaller shoots, everybody talks to each other & has a bit of banter, its not all about the bag numbers at the end of the day, its about that one memorable shot, that one high bird & the good company you have been with all day.

 

 

big money ???? 500 notes is not that much per gun in the big shoots world, were 5000 for 9 guns, shooting 6 drives, looking for 150 head.and im far from being a big bag shoot.... imo when big days are mentioned your talking 20,000 for your team of 8 or 9 guns for the day ( pounds that is )

 

Its like every thing else in life there is a few that will do it just because they can, the majority of big days are taken by high rolling city workers thats co#ks are that small they need all these imerterial things to make them feel good about them selves the same sort off attitude that makes them all want the first new model of porche out of the sales room... i think you get my drift..

 

then theres the over seas guns but as they have been explained well , il not go there....

 

in a nut shell its not so much the numbers getting killed, its the reasonings behind them wanting such a grose sized day that gets my goat..

 

My last day yesterday

[v-max 2]

This is quite an inteesting topic & like all things theres the ups & downs.In a sense of that of the keeper i would rather have 10-20-30thou of birds as its you that gets out your bed to do the same job with 1,000 but they can disapeare easyer & i would rather carry more feed etc to do the job some do for 1-2thou birds.All the vermin control & hard/long hours is in the spring/summer when your quiet is for the protection of wild birds thus for shooting in winter.I love my vermin & the long hours involved with bring on game & would hate to be doing for 10 days shooting.I like the social side the big days can bring with frinds/beaters etc & makes the whole season tick & each day has its strory to tell & memory.I do hate the attatude of some guns at times & as long safty is there its good but like the 300 bird days as a max but have seen many bigger days.I dont so much as said by others as to respect to the game as im a big eater of game & think of it bad to waste any.

[outshooting 0]

big money ???? 500 notes is not that much per gun in the big shoots world ?

 

 

 

£500 is not big money in the world of big shoots, but in the real world of the working man it is, why anyone would want to pay that type of money to shoot 150-200-300 birds i don't get, & half the time the guns don't even take any birds with them, i know on my shoot i have put 200 birds over the guns & they have only shot 40-50 but at the end of the day all the birds have been taken if not by the guns then the beaters take them.

 

 

you get the same pleasure & excitement if not more on the small shoots as you do on the big days

 

but its everybody to there own

[Guest k9wpg]

Big shoots = Big money, if your willing to pay £500-£1000 for a days shooting & stand on a peg shooting bird after bird where is the sport or skill in that, you also find on some of the big shoots the attitude is still THEM & US which i do not agree with.

 

 

I personally like the smaller shoots, everybody talks to each other & has a bit of banter, its not all about the bag numbers at the end of the day, its about that one memorable shot, that one high bird & the good company you have been with all day.

 

 

big money ???? 500 notes is not that much per gun in the big shoots world, were 5000 for 9 guns, shooting 6 drives, looking for 150 head.and im far from being a big bag shoot.... imo when big days are mentioned your talking 20,000 for your team of 8 or 9 guns for the day ( pounds that is )

 

Its like every thing else in life there is a few that will do it just because they can, the majority of big days are taken by high rolling city workers thats co#ks are that small they need all these imerterial things to make them feel good about them selves the same sort off attitude that makes them all want the first new model of porche out of the sales room... i think you get my drift..

 

then theres the over seas guns but as they have been explained well , il not go there....

 

in a nut shell its not so much the numbers getting killed, its the reasonings behind them wanting such a grose sized day that gets my goat..

 

My last day yesterday

 

 

How about 9 grand for half gun ?Shoot yesterday big bag and fantastic presentation by gamekeeper and team. Im not arsed what someone pays i get to work me dogs.This shoot had one drive which lasted from dinner to end of day ,with beaters pushing birds through woodland valley bag just shy of three hundred and very sporting shots,

If someone is willing to pay then so be it.

[Guest little_lloyd]

 

Smaller / syndaciyte shoots for me

 

A bag means nothing to me,, As long as your out beating/shooting with friends having a good time,, I think members of smaller or sydacyte shoots are more friendly and you are in for more of a chance of getting som ferreting / shooting etc permission.

 

Ive done a few days of big shoots but its not as a crack as a smaller shoot,, The guns are all up their own asses and behave like royalty in most bigger shoots i think.

 

But i suppose its what ever floats yer boat

[alimac 882]

Big shoots = Big money, if your willing to pay £500-£1000 for a days shooting & stand on a peg shooting bird after bird where is the sport or skill in that, you also find on some of the big shoots the attitude is still THEM & US which i do not agree with.

 

 

I personally like the smaller shoots, everybody talks to each other & has a bit of banter, its not all about the bag numbers at the end of the day, its about that one memorable shot, that one high bird & the good company you have been with all day.

 

 

big money ???? 500 notes is not that much per gun in the big shoots world, were 5000 for 9 guns, shooting 6 drives, looking for 150 head.and im far from being a big bag shoot.... imo when big days are mentioned your talking 20,000 for your team of 8 or 9 guns for the day ( pounds that is )

 

Its like every thing else in life there is a few that will do it just because they can, the majority of big days are taken by high rolling city workers thats co#ks are that small they need all these imerterial things to make them feel good about them selves the same sort off attitude that makes them all want the first new model of porche out of the sales room... i think you get my drift..

 

then theres the over seas guns but as they have been explained well , il not go there....

 

in a nut shell its not so much the numbers getting killed, its the reasonings behind them wanting such a grose sized day that gets my goat..

 

My last day yesterday

 

 

How about 9 grand for half gun ?Shoot yesterday big bag and fantastic presentation by gamekeeper and team. Im not arsed what someone pays i get to work me dogs.This shoot had one drive which lasted from dinner to end of day ,with beaters pushing birds through woodland valley bag just shy of three hundred and very sporting shots,

If someone is willing to pay then so be it.

 

9000 for a half gun ?????? i some how think not..you must of miss typed there, your not shooting grouse...and even then that would work out at about 160,000 for your team to shoot a day of 300,even if thats just what they shot in the afternoon il leave it to others to work out a price per bird for that... i know this aint the place to bounce around numbers but some of you seam to have no idea of what a BIG day is or what numbers they can consist off..

 

outshooting, i never mentioned it being in the reach of the average person, altough the people that take BIG days are often earning 20 or 30 times what the average person would do.... its a fact of life, they shoot big days, we join walk one stand one syndicates

Edited January 18, 2008 by alimac

[Guest k9wpg]

Big shoots = Big money, if your willing to pay £500-£1000 for a days shooting & stand on a peg shooting bird after bird where is the sport or skill in that, you also find on some of the big shoots the attitude is still THEM & US which i do not agree with.

 

 

I personally like the smaller shoots, everybody talks to each other & has a bit of banter, its not all about the bag numbers at the end of the day, its about that one memorable shot, that one high bird & the good company you have been with all day.

 

 

big money ???? 500 notes is not that much per gun in the big shoots world, were 5000 for 9 guns, shooting 6 drives, looking for 150 head.and im far from being a big bag shoot.... imo when big days are mentioned your talking 20,000 for your team of 8 or 9 guns for the day ( pounds that is )

 

Its like every thing else in life there is a few that will do it just because they can, the majority of big days are taken by high rolling city workers thats co#ks are that small they need all these imerterial things to make them feel good about them selves the same sort off attitude that makes them all want the first new model of porche out of the sales room... i think you get my drift..

 

then theres the over seas guns but as they have been explained well , il not go there....

 

in a nut shell its not so much the numbers getting killed, its the reasonings behind them wanting such a grose sized day that gets my goat..

 

My last day yesterday

 

 

How about 9 grand for half gun ?Shoot yesterday big bag and fantastic presentation by gamekeeper and team. Im not arsed what someone pays i get to work me dogs.This shoot had one drive which lasted from dinner to end of day ,with beaters pushing birds through woodland valley bag just shy of three hundred and very sporting shots,

If someone is willing to pay then so be it.

 

9000 for a half gun ?????? i some how think not..you must of miss typed there, your not shooting grouse...and even then that would work out at about 160,000 for your team to shoot a day of 300,even if thats just what they shot in the afternoon il leave it to others to work out a price per bird for that... i know this aint the place to bounce around numbers but some of you seam to have no idea of what a BIG day is or what numbers they can consist off..

 

outshooting, i never mentioned it being in the reach of the average person, altough the people that take BIG days are often earning 20 or 30 times what the average person would do.... its a fact of life, they shoot big days, we join walk one stand one syndicates

 

Lol I wasnt shooting it I was picking up That was the cost I was told .A full gun at a normal size shoot will cost 4000 grand upwards for a two hundred bird day There are three shoots on that shoot all averaging between 300 400 bird days and there is a waiting list. Apart from syndicates they have let days as well.It was not 9000 FOR A DAYS SHOOTING.

[shortshot 0]

Meatwise, unless the industry subsidises an "oven ready" pheasant to sell at 50 pence it will never be utilised in these numbers. So given they don't we have a time bomb here that will shortly lead to major curbs on our sport.

Money and sport don't make good bedfellows. Commercialisation of game shooting is guaranteed to destroy the sport and with it the keepering profession.

Anyone who wants to kill more than 10 pheasants a day should go clay shooting instead! Pick the best 10 birds you see all day and leave the rest . If each gun only had one box of carts. for the day he'd learn to be a bit more choosy and less greedy.....or the guns have to use a muzzle loader....or 410's only.....the sport needs to change the rules if it is going to survive.